Clarke Juvenile Gets Four-Day Jail Sentence for Fighting Brother at Johnson-Williams Middle School

Family attorney appeals ruling, case set for retrial July 11 in Clarke County Circuit Court

By George Archibald

A 15-year-old girl who fought her 13-year-old brother between classes at Johnson-Williams Middle School on March 7 was found guilty yesterday of assault and battery by Juvenile and Domestic Relations Judge Ronald Lewis Napier, who sentenced her to serve a minimum of four days in jail at the Northern Virginia Juvenile Detention Center.

Napier rendered the verdict in an angry tone, stating his displeasure that the 8 th grader showed no remorse in her testimony, despite pleas by defense attorney David Hensley that the girl had no prior record of any unlawful misbehavior including driving infractions as she is not yet older enough to have a license according to witnesses that attended the closed-proceeding.

Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney Archana McLoughlin prosecuted the case vigorously with Johnson-Williams Middle School dean of students James Ross as main prosecution witness and a school video that showed the teenage girl ambush and start punching her bigger brother as he exited a classroom into a crowded school hallway.

School Principal Evan Robb had telephoned the siblings’ father, a high-ranking state government official, to request that he or the students’ mother come to the school to pick them up while they were detained in the principal’s office.

The mother was at the family home in Berryville and told this reporter yesterday that Robb had already summoned Clarke County Deputy Sheriff Gary Lichliter, school resource officer for the sheriff’s office, by the time she arrived at Johnson-Williams.

The fight had occurred on a Wednesday, and by the next week, without any further discussion or meetings with the family, school officials, the sheriff’s office and commonwealth’s attorney had decided to move forward with an assault and battery charge against her daughter, the mother said.

The family’s reaction over the three-months since the criminal charge has been “This is just surreal,” the mother said, who described the teenage sister and brother and a younger sister as “close and typical kids.”

At trial yesterday, the brother testified that he thought the fight was “funny” a family member later said. He admitted that he had hit his sister and bruised her arm the day before after an argument, which is why she had attacked him at school.

They testified that the school nurse examined the brother after the fight and found him to be unharmed.

The mother said outside the courthouse after the trial that Judge Napier reacted negatively to her daughter’s comment in testimony that she was not worried about hurting her brother “because he was chunky.”

County Sheriff Anthony W. Roper told this reporter in March that the county’s decision to bring assault and battery charges against the girl was prompted by the school video, which suggested that her attack at school was premeditated and “quite violent.”

Reaction in the community after the court verdict was mixed.

Juvenile law enforcement proceedings for offenders under age 18 are conducted in strict secrecy under Virginia law in order to protect minor offenders.

Principal Robb and dean of students Ross were not available for comment about the trial yesterday, said Johnson Williams office secretary Chris Kennicott. Neither school official responded to a request that they return the call.

Legal counsel Hensley’s immediate appeal of Judge Napier’s verdict, after a defense motion to dismiss the assault and battery charge was denied, kicks the case up to Circuit Court Judge John E. Wetsel, Jr. for retrial on July 11.

In addition to the 15-year-old’s four-day jail sentence, the juvenile was ordered to enroll in an anger-management program and placed on unsupervised probation until age 18.

Comments

  1. Is this a joke?

    • Clarke Eagle says:

      Can you imagine what the prison system would look like if we sentence every 15-year old to four day jail sentences for fights at school? Probation until the age of 18.. Wow.

    • Wagonman says:

      Yeah Sarge a sane person would think that this was a joke. Whatever happened to in-school detention, suspension or some other non-judicial punishment??? 4 days in jail for a little sibling one-on-one, give me a break. Sometimes zero tolerance is not thew answer!!!!

  2. Another View says:

    The principal was wrong. He is a government employee.

    The Sheriff was wrong. He is a government official.

    The Commonwealth’s Attorney was wrong. She is a government official.

    The judge was wrong. He is a government official.

    This is what happens when government is involved in EVERYTHING!

  3. Roscoe Evans says:

    I hope he gets overturned, pronto, and gets told what his job is. Unless there’s an awful lot more to this matter than is being told, this is a far cry from what the juvenile justice system is supposed to be about.

    If this guy wants to be a hanging judge, let him try to get an appointment to a real court, and start wearing big boy pants under his robe. Beating up little kids over their sibling spats is pretty much The Peter Principle defined.

    And no matter your judicial philosophy, jail terms for first time offenders ought to be spare and short. Jail is horrific, by any standard. One night could cost a kid his life.

    • livein22611 says:

      To overturn this would be a victory for bullies and bad parents everywhere. This has gone on long enough. There is A LOT more to this matter. Talk to anyone who goes to JWMS. I am sickened that some on here think the justice system is wrong because they did what was right. [redcated]

  4. CDN, please say there is more to this story……………..

    • jennifer says:

      “County Sheriff Anthony W. Roper told this reporter in March that the county’s decision to bring assault and battery charges against the girl was prompted by the school video, which suggested that her attack at school was premeditated and “quite violent.” ”

      caught on tape, premeditated and “quite violent”. The school officials are not allowed to wave the rules in some cases and enforce them strictly in others or the taxpayers end up paying more in legal fees than they already do.

      I can see it now…”oh, that’s his sister, they were just playing” He ends up in the hospital and the parents and “reporter” say the “schools” should have seen it coming.

      you folks ought to try working in a no win situation sometime.

  5. jennifer says:

    every one of you would be quick to blame the government employees and the system if some harm had been done. if this girl does not know by 8th grade how to behave in school she should be home schooled or something. lets not forget, the article said the father is a government official too. perhaps too “high level” for your scrutiny. just one more no win for the schools and the courts. those kids can keep their “play” fighting at home. the judge was right. finally justice is served in the courts.

    • Another View says:

      Jennifer:

      How is it a solution to “home school” a child who has not learned to behave, as it is his parents–at home–who have failed to teach the child to behave? That makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • jennifer says:

        It is a solution because then the students who are there to actually learn can do so without threat and distraction and the people we pay to teach them and run the schools can do just that without the lose/lose decision of whether to punish or not and how. As you point out so well. The government employees are not supposed to be here to teach manners. That should be done in the home. If they can’t behave properly in school then they shouldn’t be there.

        • Another View says:

          Then expel them. But this behavior is not criminal. These are children!

          • Mike Sipe says:

            Yeah until someone does somethign to you and then you want justice. Glad to see the hammer brought down on behavior that just escaltes when not dealt with. Thatis the problem with our society today. We need more strict discipline like this.

  6. livein22611 says:

    There are a lot of cases where the “in school suspension” has been used time and time again with absolutely no effect. Sometimes the only way to get through to the kids and the PARENTS is to take the next step. Lots of excuses can be made, but what if the brother had really gotten hurt?? What if it was the brother hitting the girl?? And remember, in this day and age schools cannot discipline kids like they need and a lot of parents refuse to. This is not just a case of a sibling disagreement.

    • that the girl had no prior record of any unlawful misbehavior including driving infractions as she is not yet older enough to have a license according to witnesses that attended the closed-proceeding.

      • livein22611 says:

        That does not include the school records. People want the school to crack down on bullies and problem behaviors. Here ya go! There is a long history of school issues here. Talk to any kid who goes to JWMS. Counseling at a juvenile facility is what is needed in this case but the parents are in deep denial. What if it was your kid that was attacked? [redcated] The fact is you can’t have it both ways. If you continue to let the same kids get away with behavior like this over and over again then you better be ready for the consequences. Get the facts. We are not talking about a simple brother/sister issue. It’s nice to see that the staff of JWMS is finally stepping up. Let’s hope they keep it up.

        • Then expel them from school. Don’t waste the time Sheriffs Departments time

          • Clarke Life says:

            What does that teach them Sarge? What message does that send? WHat kid wouldn’t want to go on home for the rest of the year and play Angry Birds all day???

          • IF the kid has parents that care, it might teach them something if they suddenly have to endure the living hell of a house with parents that find themselves without baby sitters during the week. And for those whose parents don’t care well, they probably aren’t going to amount to much in life anyway.

            Personally, I don’t care if they learn anything or not while they are expelled. If you are bad enough to be expelled from school, clearly you don’t care about learning anyway.

            I care more about the kids that DO want to learn, and at least those kids won’t be burdened with the distractions of the delinquents.

          • jennifer says:

            Yes but YOU do not like paying taxes. These delinquents may be out of sight out of mind now if expelled, but later they will be back. Putting them in jail later, long term costs big money that someone has to pay for. Better to break them of it now, which is why these “scared straight” kind of sentences are a potentially good thing.

          • Another View says:

            You are misinformed. Putting a child in jail does nothing but introduce them to a worse element.

            How about the next time you engage in bad conduct–speeding?–we put you in jail? After all, speeding is against the law! Speed kills (so says the government)! Your speeding conduct potentially endangers lives! So perhaps a “scared straight” jail sentence will teach you not to speed anymore!

          • jennifer says:

            that is the decision of the Sheriff’s Department and the courts. not the schools.

  7. Another View says:

    What if, what if, what if . . . ! Schoolyard brawls between students are not an appropriate matter for the courts, and the perpetrators need not be imprisoned. Government does not exist to police every aspect of our lives.

    Should the child have been punished? Oh yes. Suspended from school, punished by the parents, both are necessary and appropriate. But arrested, prosecuted, and incarcerated in a facility for criminals? No.

    Have all you big government lovers lost your minds? What next? Arrest families who don’t recycle because of the harm to the planet? How about putting in jail moms who allow their children to drink sugary drinks like Kool Aid and Coke? Is name calling next? Should “hate crimes” be instituted and enforced to stop “bullying”? Where does it all end? Can you handle nothing on your own? Are you completely helpless so that you must surrender all control to government?

  8. Sage of the mountain says:

    When we had kids in CCHS some years ago all ot took was a phone call from the school about a problem with them (my kids) and I was there to deal with it myself. Why is it different today? Perhaps we as parents do not give the school the same backing and consideration today as back in the old days. Maybe we need to give school officials more support in dealing with the problems that they deal with today. Just saying that we as parents can make a real difference.

    • My 2 Cents says:

      You are right- the parents of the problem kids think their children are not capable of doing those things. As parents we should ALL know that are children are all capable of playing the bully role at some point in their life. It is NOT ok, but I get so tired of parents pointing fingers and blaming the other kid. Accept responisibility and accept the fact that we need to discipline OUR OWN child even if you think it is not possible for your child to be the bully. That’s all you see nowadays..parents all say it was the other kid. So much blaming. If we would all deal with our own children and not worry about everyone elses, we might get farther with PREVENTING bullying.

      I believe if EVERY single fight and bullying situation (with this type of intent of violence and malice) was approached with this type of sincerity and follow through- then maybe the bullying and fights would stop!

      I think this sets the tone for Zero Tolerance (siblings or not). I am happy that the school is taking a stand. You hear of all of these students committing suicide and parents scream “Make the schools stop bullying, Make it stop!” Ok, here it is…now they are intervening and stopping it, yet people still complain.

      Stop being your children’s best friends, discipline them, deal with their problems or the justice system will for you -then your hands are tied…your choice!

      Thank you Johnson Williams Middle School for taking a serious matter seriously and helping to keep ALL of our children safe!

      • The problem here is, it wasn’t the school that did anything. They passed the problem off to the law, which again, is a waste of resources. It should have stayed in the school. Detention, suspension, expulsion. Not a trip to jail

        • Clarke Life says:

          Detention, YAY, I get to go sit in a room with all my friends and play on our cell-phones!!!!!!!!!

          That will teach’em Sarge!!!!

          • As I just told someone else, take their phones and ipods and make them sit and stare at each other with no talking. Has school discipline really degenerated to allowing kids to play on cell phones during detention? It’s supposed to be PUNISHMENT, not Romper Room

          • Clarke Life says:

            Supposed to be, but far from it!!! The kids are all hip to the game and know how to play it!!!! And then if they continue to mess up at school, they get the real reward of attending the F&M Building for 1 on 1 attention all day!!!!!

          • Right Winger says:

            That’s what happens when you remove discipline from the schools, which is exactly what has happened over the past 25 years.

          • True, essentially, but you ignore one critical fact: when the only discipline a child receives is at school, then that “discipline” is treated as a joke and thus loses any power it might have had. If it’s not reinforced at home, it’s shelf life is woefully short.

          • kids :/ says:

            I’m not so sure, Sarge. Yes, the school passed it to the resource officer but ask yourself why we have an officer in the school . We never used to. But nowadays some kids have no bounderies. My parents were my parents. I hated it when I was a kid but I don’t mind it now. I am a parent to my child..I can be fun but if my child does something wrong I let ’em know. That’s my job. But from what I have seen, some parents just wanna be ‘the cool’ parent or they are too busy working far away or long hours to make ends meet. And when I say make ends meet I mean buying the latest video game, or iphone, ipad, or a new car for a kid that just got a license. The school can only do so much. If the parents won’t or don’t have the time to step in the school has to do something. Kids need less material things and more of a parent. That’s the bottom line for me.

          • Another View says:

            If the children can do that, there are two (2) problems. One, why are the parents purchasing their children cell phones while they are in middle school? Two, why is the school permitting cell phones on campus?

          • Clarke Life says:

            All kids have them at school. Everyone knows this. Heck I know parents that text their kids all day long throughout the school-day!!!! Its a shame!!!! Why do they need them at that age and why are they at school????? I guess they all have great family plans!!! lol

          • Students have cell phones…it’s a sign of the times.

        • jennifer says:

          Sarge, the schools are legally required to report incidents of violence. Believe me, the last thing they want is for things like this to become public discussion. Besides, as many have said here suspension is not that big of a deal to kids, even if you take away their cell phones (and the parents pitch about that too) it only really effects the ones who are basically good kids and just slip up. Expulsion is a big deal. No school teacher or administrator or law enforcement officer wants to do that because then the kids are on the street, not being educated or watched, which puts us all at risk of trouble. The ultimate goal is to teach them a lesson that will make an impact. Perhaps 4 days in juvi now will prevent a longer term in the women’s detention center later. That would save society a lot of money later.

        • kids :/ says:

          I’m not so sure, Sarge. Yes, the school passed it to the resource officer but ask yourself why we have an officer in the school . We never used to. But nowadays some kids have no bounderies. My parents were my parents. I hated it when I was a kid but I don’t mind it now. I am a parent to my child..I can be fun but if my child does something wrong I let ’em know. That’s my job. But from what I have seen some parents just wanna be ‘the cool’ parent or they are too busy work ing far away or long hours to make ends meet. The school can only do so much. If the parents won’t or don’t have the time to step in the school has to do something. Kids need less material things and more of a parent. That’s the bottom line for me.

          • “Yes, the school passed it to the resource officer but ask yourself why we have an officer in the school”

            Another “sign of the times” that some people want to deny. “Cops” in schools used to be something that happened in school zones located in liberal war zones. Now every school has one. Why?

            Answer – The adults in the schools (teachers/principals) have been so neutered that they have very few options to discipline children. That, and the people that run the schools nowadays have been brought up in the culture that “It’s bad to spank kids” and “We must not hurt their self esteem”

            Look at what that has brought us.

          • Sarge, conservative parents have also been the ones leading the charge to ban corporal punishment and those other punitive things in schools, too. CP “is the prerogative of the parents and the home,” etc. You can’t have it both ways, yet the schools get caught in a Catch-22 where they always look like the bad guy.

            Society as a whole has moved away from spanking as a regular tool in the arsenal, to borrow your lingo. Thus, if it’s not accepted in the general culture, it sure as Hades can’t be re-introduced in the public schools.

            When detentions, in-school suspensions, suspension to alt-ed, and other avenues don’t work (and the desire to try to keep a child engaged in academics and not just released on the populace makes expulsion soemthing to try to avoid), and something this violent goes down…what option is left?

            What she did was premeditated, violent, recorded on camera, and something for which she showed little remorse. Perhaps those few days in Juvie will get through to her, or she won’t have much of a freshman year next year. Her parents need to get the clue, too, that they need to pay more attention to their kids.

          • “Sarge, conservative parents have also been the ones leading the charge to ban corporal punishment and those other punitive things in schools, too”

            Sorry Tom, but you’re going to have to show me a linkon that one. Not one of the parents I hang around with doesn’t wish for the days where you could wear a kids butt out if htey messed up

            North Carolina has it so that corporal punishment can be adminstered with parental consent. They have a whole lot less issues in schools down there than they do here

          • Another View says:

            A “few days in Juvie” is not like going to summer school. It is the juvenile equivalent of jail. You are around bad people, it is dangerous, and it is only appropriate for the worst of the worst. A schoolyard brawl does not warrant such a punishment.

            And that she planned to do it [premeditated] or that it was tape recorded, so what? Does that make it worse? No.

            And what evidence that anyone has put in any effort with this child, to teach her right from wrong? All the evidence gleaned from the article would suggest that the adults cannot be bothered, so lock her up and throw away the key! Let her learn how to behave in jail! Woo hoo, that’s the ticket!

            RIDICULOUS!

          • Fly on the wall says:

            “And what evidence that anyone has put in any effort with this child, to teach her right from wrong?”

            Hmmm…well, that’s the first problem with this “feature” story…it is really a poorly written attempt of yellow journalism.

            You, clearly, do not know all of the facts of the story. I, for one, am glad such a strong message was sent.

          • jennifer says:

            teaching her right from wrong is the parents’ job av. so far the state does not collect evidence on that except that which school records and the video will tell, and given that she is a minor, it is not evidence for us to see. Also, 4 days is hardly throwing away the key and the “scared straight” program was not likely invented by “libs”. I do believe it has good results though.

          • Confused says:

            “Answer – The adults in the schools (teachers/principals) have been so neutered that they have very few options to discipline children. That, and the people that run the schools nowadays have been brought up in the culture that “It’s bad to spank kids” and “We must not hurt their self esteem”

            Sarge-The reason we have “cops’ as you call them in schools is because of things like what happened at Columbine and Va Tech.

            Are you really that ignorant of today’s society to ask that question? I don’t care about “options for discipline” when someone is running around on a shooting spree..(not that this has anything to do with this case) But your answer is perposterous! I don’t give a hoot about ‘self esteem’ as you say, when my child is sitting in a public school that could have some copycat crazy running around doing God knows what. Thank GOD for the resource officers!!

          • Another View says:

            There is no place for the police in public schools. Unless the schools are a jail.

          • hhmmm... says:

            There should not be any police in schools. I agree. But I also don’t think there should be violence in schools either.

          • Confused says:

            Another View- You MUST NOT be a parent. Or you are the parent of the kids involved because your posts are coming across so angry.

            If there had been a school resource officer when Columbine went down less innocent children would have died. Enough Said.

          • Another View says:

            Well let us put police on every corner, and a camera in every house. That too will cut down on a crime.

            You could just as well say that if guns had not been invented, less innocent children would have died. But it makes no sense.

            We do not need police in schools. It is symbolic of a police state, which is a pretty good description of what is being done to this girl and her family.

            And I am a parent. But if you read this blog regularly, you would know that my children go to private schools, where there are no police officers, and no need for police officers.

          • Confused says:

            Sweetie- Private schools don’t mean you don’t need officers or safety precautions. Look at that little school house in Lancaster County. They were Amish, they were not even people that take part in our society and look at what happened to them. Sad, Sad, Sad.

            So yes-it is in my opinion that a school resource officer is a great idea! Better safe than sorry in my opinion. However, we are off topic from the original article, aren’t we?

            I always go by the motto: only complain when it is something you can change. None of us are able to change the facts in this case or the actions that were taken. So with that being said, all your complaining and whining is not going to help make changes in this case. Since you make it clear you are on here “regularly” you might want to save your energy for another article you would like to argue about . Have a great evening.

          • Mr Mister says:

            Well Tony, why do you send your kids to private? Is it not safe enough for your kids?

          • Fly on the wall says:

            Yeah, a private school has the luxury of using the “If you screw up here, you’ll have to go back to public school” as a threat to mete out discipline and ensure compliance. Nice system, that one.

          • They probably can’t even draw their guns if anything did go down. Again, I remember “back in the day” when it was really nothing to see students with hunting rifles, myself included. Aside from showing it and comparing it to some other kids gun, I would never dream of even goofing around with it, because it would have been my ass when I got home.

            If kids are so deraigned nowadays, if someone thinks the kid in this story is such a bad seed, then AGAIN, EXPEL HER.

            Then, if she shows up on school property, call the cops.

          • Fly on the wall says:

            And what end would that serve, Sarge? You toss out these my-way-or-the-highway simpleton altruisms like they’ll make a dang bit of good. Former Gov. Allen led the charge for expanded incarceration (“3 strikes and you’re out”) and crime rates have not really dropped while prison and jail costs have risen mightily.

            The schools shouldn’t give up on students. “Toe the line or get out” works in a highly regimented environment like the military, or on a sports team, but what gain is afforded the students who are summarily dismissed? Again, if the parents refuse to parent, and blame the schools for all of the issues, then the young lady quickly figures out the game. Thankfully, in this instance, she was reminded that there can be very real consequences to her disruptive and extremely negative choices.

      • Another View says:

        I know, I know, I know!!! Let’s institute the death penalty for these vicious little tykes! And life imprisonment without parole for their feckless irresponsible parents!!!!!!!! That’ll teach them to misbehave!

  9. doubleedge says:

    First of all, I am not sure this incident should be the concern of anyone other than the parents and the children involved. But, having said that, and since it is now a public item, I have a couple of thoughts. It seems to me that there needs to be a victim for a criminal act. The school, although there was an apparent violation of school policy, is not the victim of a criminal act. It also appears that the male juvenile does not consider his sisters actions a criminal act. Thus, there is no crime. But since it is now in the courts what will most assuredly happen is, that to save face, no school or county offical will back down. The Judge will not back down. So due to circumstances, the family, or more to the point, the familiy’s attorney has taken the only option open to them, taking up court time for something that should have been resolved at the school level. Here is hoping the circuit court Judge sees fit to end this unnecessary waste of Judicial resources.

  10. Another View says:

    For all you government employee negative voters who love to check disagree beside my posts, I guarantee you if this was your child, you would be outraged at the making so much of it, and treating your little child like a criminal. But then again, you have already shown that you think that there are two (2) sets of rules, one for the government class, and one for those subject to the government class. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Well I must say that, this article, if accurate, is one of the top five, if not the stupidest things I ever heard of in my 40 some years. Mind you, I’ve been around the planet a few times, including 22 years in the military. Among the top 5 stupdest things I’ve seen is one of my dive buddies get out of a shark cage and touch a great white shark as it swam. Another guy in the sandbox pulled the pin on a grenade when there were no good hadji’s to throw it at. But this might just top those incidents.

    Every “official” involved in this should hang their heads in shame. In fact, most of them should resign immediately IMO.

    Is the “Dean of Students” so reluctant, or so incompetent, or so impotent in administering discipline that he had to call the law for a brother/sister fight? Really? Just how “viscious” can a 13 year old girl be? Frankly, if he can’t handle a siblings fighting in school, it makes me call into question whether or not he can handle other serious issues, like opening the doors to the school in the morning, or running the flag up the flagpole correctly. As a parent, I think I’d be just a little concerned for my kids welfare in a school run by someone so ineffective. Were I in charge, I would probably demote this guy to janitor and make the janitor the principal. I’m thinking the janitor would have to have more common sense.

    And yes, I know the schools are hamstrung in the discipline department. This is what liberalism has wrought in our schools. Back in the day this girl would have gotten her @$$ beaten and this would have been done. Calling the law, unless it’s something serious like a knife fight or if she’d have whacked him with a baseball bat, is lazy and borders on malfeasence.

    Sheriff Roper. Really? You really spent county resources going out to the school and apprehending this dangerous criminal? Did you let the deputies put the bullet in their gun, or did you tell them to keep it in their pocket? I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not, but the southern end of the county is overrun with illegals. Maybe you could pay attention to that, or concentrate what you always say are “limited resources” on slowing down the traffic that does 80mph to DC every day of the week. Honestly, had the principal called me and asked me to come get a kid that was in a sibling fight, I would have laughed.

    Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney Archana McLoughlin, who for some reason “prosecuted the case vigorously”, resign. Honestly, just resign and move away so as to not be a laughing stock the rest of your life. I’d love to direct your attention to the other crime on the area, but since the Sheriffs Department hasn’t provided the police report for awhile it’s hard to say what’s goin on. But again, there are illegals everywhere in this county, along with ciggerette smugglers and who knows what else . Maybe you, the sherriffs office and DHS could, you know, do your real jobs and get rid of some of the real riff raff. What say you?

    Judge Napier. Really? Four days in a jail that’s already overcrowded. How about a stern talking to and at most, a night in the local hoosegow for a wake up call? How about threatening to toss the “parents” in the slam? How about laughing when the next case like this shows up and not hearing it?

    All around poor show by everyone involved. People will be laughing at you all for a looooong time

    Rant off

    • jennifer says:

      yes sarge, you have mentioned several times before how many times you have been around the world. in all of your worldliness you still do not know just how vicious a 13 year old girl can be? Anyway. You do not know what you are talking about and this is not a political fight. There is a history here and there is more to the story. you will not hear it because it involves a minor. If you know any students in the school you could get more information. i assure you they all know. As I said above, the schools are REQUIRED BY LAW to report violence in the school, and there are no exclusions based on blood relation. as a parent with a student in that school who is THERE TO LEARN I applaud the administration for DOING THEIR JOB. Malfeasance is knowingly not doing your job.

      • Another View says:

        The schools are not required to call the police, the Sheriff is not required to arrest, the Commonwealth is not required to prosecute, and the judge is not required to incarcerate. This is government run amuck!

        • jennifer says:

          http://www.virginiarules.com/virginia-rules/student-responsibilities

          Scroll about a third of the way down the page. Look up the code reference.

          Conduct at school
          Do laws apply at school?

          Yes. Schools are communities within the broader city or county community. Both laws and school rules apply at school. Laws that apply while you are at school include:

          federal laws that apply throughout the United States and its territories,

          state laws that apply throughout Virginia, and

          city, county, or town ordinances that apply in the city, county, or town in which the school is located.

          What if I do something that breaks a school rule and a law?

          School officials are required by Virginia law to report the following offenses to law enforcement agencies if these offenses occur on school property, on a school bus, or at a school-sponsored activity:

          Assault or assault and battery;

          Sexual assault, death, shooting, stabbing, cutting, or wounding of any person;

          Stalking of any person;

          Any conduct involving alcohol, marijuana, synthetic cannabinoids, a controlled substance, an imitation controlled substance, or an anabolic steroid, including theft of prescription medications;

          Any threats against school personnel;

          Illegal carrying of a firearm onto school property;

          Illegal conduct involving firebombs, explosive materials or devices, hoax explosive devices, explosive or incendiary devices, or chemical bombs;

          Any threats or false threats to bomb; or

          Any incident that would be a felony if committed by an adult.

          (Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.3:1 (A))

          The offenses listed above are only those required to be reported to law enforcement authorities. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.3:1 (D))

          Many school personnel make it a practice to report any act they believe may be a violation of law. Schools and law enforcement agencies work closely to ensure safety; therefore, calling the police or reporting incidents to the police is a well-established practice in Virginia schools.

          A student who commits a crime is not only subject to the school’s disciplinary process, but also may be charged and required to go through the criminal process. This is a particularly powerful reason for making sure you understand and abide by school rules.

          Which rules am I expected to follow at school?

          In addition to federal and state laws and city, county, or town ordinances, you are expected to follow:

          school division codes of student conduct that apply to all public schools in your city or county;

          school rules that apply at your particular school; and

          classroom rules that apply in a particular classroom.

          There may also be other rules to follow, such as parking rules if you have the privilege of parking at school or rules that apply if you participate in sports or clubs.

          It is important to understand that your code of student conduct applies not only when you are on school grounds but also when you are on the bus going to and from school and at schools-ponsored activities, even when the activity is away from school or at another school.
          How will I know about the rules?

          At the beginning of each school year, you will receive a written copy of the code of student conduct approved by your local school board. If you enroll after the beginning of the school year, you will receive the copy of the code of student conduct as part of the enrollment process.

          Schools carefully review the rules and consequences with students as part of student orientations, in assemblies, and/or in classrooms. Some schools even have quizzes to test student understanding of the rules.

          In communities with many non-English-speaking families, codes of conduct may be available in several languages.

          School rules are typically listed in your school handbook. Classroom rules are typically posted in classrooms and will be reviewed by teachers on the first day of school.

          Other rules associated with participating with clubs or sports will be given to you as part of signing up for the activity.

          It is extremely important for you to understand all rules. If you have any questions, ask the person in charge to clarify or give examples. Remember, “ignorance of the law is no excuse.”
          What can happen if I misbehave at school?

          The specific consequences will depend on the student conduct policy. In general, the more serious the offense, the more serious the consequences.

          It is important to remember that disciplinary actions in school are intended to correct behavior. Corrective disciplinary action may range from a verbal warning to expulsion from school.

          School administrators consider many factors in determining consequences, including the particular circumstances of an incident and whether it is a first or repeat offense.

          Some examples of corrective disciplinary actions a school administrator may take are listed below. These are examples only; some disciplinary actions listed may not be used at your school and your school may use actions not listed here.

          Warning and counseling;

          Parent/pupil conference;

          Adjustment to student classroom assignment or schedule;

          Student behavior contract;

          Referral to student support services;

          After-school or in-school detention;

          Suspension of student privileges for a specified period;

          Removal from class;

          Initiation of an assessment process;

          Referral to in-school intervention, mediation, or community service programs;

          Short-term suspension;

          Long-term suspension; and

          Expulsion.

          Even after a suspension from school, some consequences may continue after a student returns to school. For example, there may be limitations of privileges, such as participation in sports, or requirements for community service or restitution.
          What is the difference between suspension and expulsion?

          Virginia law defines short-term suspension, long-term suspension, and expulsion in Code of Virginia § 22.1-276.01.

          Short-term suspension is defined as disciplinary action which mandates that a student is not permitted to attend school for up to 10 days.

          Long-term suspension is defined as disciplinary action which mandates that a student is not permitted to attend school for more than 10 school days but fewer than 365 calendar days.

          Expulsion is defined as disciplinary action imposed by a school board which mandates that a student is not permitted to attend school within the school division and is ineligible for readmission for 365 calendar days after the date of the expulsion.

          After expulsion, a student may apply or reapply for readmission in accordance with school board policy. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.06 (B))

          Although the overwhelming majority of suspensions and expulsions result from acts at school or school-sponsored activities, a student may also be suspended or expelled for acts off school property when the acts lead to a court judgment of delinquency, a conviction for very serious crimes, or a charge that would be a felony if committed by an adult. These laws were enacted by the Virginia General Assembly with the intent of protecting students from others who have committed violent or other serious crimes. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277)
          Which offenses can result in expulsion?

          School boards are required by Virginia law to expel students who commit two types of offenses:

          Bringing to school firearms or other destructive devices defined in the federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.07 (A))

          Bringing drugs, imitation drugs, or marijuana onto school property or to a school-sponsored event. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.08 (A))

          Expulsions for other types of offenses are required to be based on consideration of the following:

          The nature and seriousness of the violation;

          The degree of danger to the school community;

          The student’s disciplinary history;

          The appropriateness and availability of an alternative education placement or program;

          The student’s age and grade level;

          The results of any mental health, substance abuse, or special education assessments;

          The student’s attendance and academic records; and

          Such other matters as deemed to be appropriate.

          Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.06 (C))

          A school board may determine, based on the facts of a particular case, that special circumstances exist and another disciplinary action is appropriate.
          Does a teacher have the authority to kick me out of class if I misbehave?

          Virginia law gives teachers the authority to remove a student from a classroom for disruptive behavior in accordance with local school board policy. Disruptive behavior is defined as“conduct that interrupts or obstructs the learning environment.” (Code of Virginia §§ 22.1-276.01 and 22.1-276.2)

          When a student is removed from class, parents will be offered the opportunity to meet with the teacher and school administrators to address problems and prevent it from happening again. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-276.2 (B)(3))
          Can teachers or principals open my school locker and search it? Can they search my car?

          School administrators may search your locker. They may also request that you empty your purse or gym bag and may question you about suspected thefts. School officials can conduct a search if they have “reasonable suspicion.” Reasonable suspicion can be based on what is known by the administrator or a tip from another student or a teacher. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.1)

          The law also permits schools to use metal detectors and detection dogs.

          If the search produces an illegal weapon or substance or evidence of criminal activity, the administrator will then contact the school resource officer (SRO) or local law enforcement.
          Can I be spanked at school for misbehaving?

          No. Virginia law states, “No teacher, principal or other person employed by a school board or employed in a school operated by the Commonwealth shall subject a student to corporal punishment.” Corporal punishment means inflicting physical pain on a student as a means of discipline. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.1)

          It is important to understand that the law against corporal punishment does not prevent:

          (i) the use of incidental, minor, or reasonable physical contact or other actions designed to maintain order and control;

          (ii) use of reasonable and necessary force to quell a disturbance or remove a student from the scene of a disturbance which threatens physical injury to persons or damage to property;

          (iii) the use of reasonable and necessary force to prevent a student from inflicting physical harm on himself;

          (iv) the use of reasonable and necessary force for self-defense or the defense of others; or

          (v) the use of reasonable and necessary force to obtain possession of weapons or other dangerous objects or controlled substances or paraphernalia which are upon the person of the student or within his or her control.

          The definition of corporal punishment also does not include physical pain, injury, or discomfort caused by participation in practice or competition in an interscholastic sport, or participation in physical education or an extracurricular activity.
          What responsibility does my school have to make sure I am safe?

          Ensuring that schools are safe and conducive to learning is an important responsibility of school boards and school administrators. Virginia laws require school boards to:

          • establish policies “designed to provide that public education be conducted in an atmosphere free of disruption and threat to persons or property and supportive of individual rights” (Code of Virginia § 22.1-253.13: (C)(3));

          • adopt codes of student conduct and procedures for suspension and expulsion (Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.6 (B)); and

          • develop programs to prevent violence and crime on school property and at school sponsored
          events. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.9)

          Additional state regulations say school principals are responsible for effective school management that promotes “a safe and secure environment in which to teach and learn.” (Virginia Administrative Code 8 VAC 20-131-210 (A))

          Principals must “ensure that the school division’s student code of conduct is enforced and seek to maintain a safe and secure school environment.” (Virginia Administrative Code 8 VAC 20-131-210 (B)(2))

          School administrators must also ensure “a written procedure . . . for responding to violent, disruptive or illegal activities by students on school property or during school sponsored activity.” (Virginia Administrative Code 8 VAC 20-131-260 (C)(3))
          What is a school resource officer?

          A “school resource officer” is a certified law enforcement officer hired by the local law enforcement agency to provide law enforcement and security services to Virginia public elementary and secondary schools. (Code of Virginia § 9.1-101)
          What is a school security officer?

          A “school security officer” is an individual employed by the local school board to maintain order and discipline, prevent crime, investigate violations of school board policies, and detain students violating the law or school board policies on school property or at school-sponsored events. They are also responsible for ensuring the safety, security, and welfare of all students, faculty, staff, and visitors in the assigned school. (Code of Virginia § 9.1-101)
          Do parents have responsibilities related to school?

          Virginia law states that parents have responsibilities to “assist the school in enforcing the standards of student conduct and compulsory school attendance.” (Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.3 (A))
          In this section:

          Attendance at School »
          Conduct at School »
          Misbehavior Consequences »
          School Responsibilities »

          Additional Information

          About Virginia Student Conduct at School
          Visit the Virginia Department of Education, Student Conduct and Discipline Section.

          • “Expulsions for other types of offenses are required to be based on consideration of the following:

            The nature and seriousness of the violation”

            Evidently, this was a very serious and “viscious” attack, according to officials involved

            Why not expel the kid and be done?

        • Right Winger says:

          I’m only going to say this once.

          The ONLY reason law enforcement became involved is because the incident was captured on videotape.

          • Awesome. So today’s lesson, boys and girls, is to jump your brother AWAY from the cameras.

            Just out of curiousity RW, what do you think would have happened had this not been filmed?

          • Absolutely nothing. We would not have heard a thing about it.

          • Another View says:

            Why are there videotape cameras in school?

          • kids :/ says:

            Good question, AV. I’m not sure but I think they have cameras now because of all the school shootings and violence.

          • Another View says:

            I never realized how violent and dangerous Berryville was. I’m going to have to buy more ammunition!

          • Right Winger says:

            Used for evidence.

      • Yes Jennifer, I know the definition of malfeasance. And I heard some more of the story from my folks on the river this morning. So again………,malfeasance = Not doing your job, huh?. Kinda like how the principal didn’t nip this in the bud earlier to avoid things getting this out of control?

        Expel the kid from school. Simple enough.

        • kids :/ says:

          If the principal would have nipped this in the bud earlier i would think he would have called the parents. Did he? If so did they do anything? The principal can only do so much if I as a parent don’t back him up. Now, I’m not saying that’s the way it was. I don’t know. My point is that I see a different side than you. I, along with any other parent , have to see my kids ‘good’ side along with a realistic view of they might not always be the perfect child we think they are. We need to listen to the principals and teachers a little more. If there’s a problem we need to listen and help solve it. The school system is not a babysitter.

    • Ah yes, the tired ol’ “this is what liberalism has wrought” angle.

      Sarge, you don’t know all of the facts contained in that girl’s school record, how many other times she maybe got in trouble for things, you never saw the video of the beatdown, and this article is rather shoddily written anyway, so of course we only have one rather biased viewpoint to consider. But, by all means, don’t let THAT stop you from teeing off on all that you deem wrognn with society.

      • Nothing “tired” about it Tom. Look at the schools,especially at the discipline aspects compared to 30 years ago. Thirty years ago this girl would have had her @$$ whipped by either the teachers or the principal or both and this would probably be over with.

        Now, as someone pointed out, we have cops in the schools. Why? Used to be if the cops came to school, you were in a world of ****, not only at school but at home.

        Cops in schools are a direct result of liberal policies and thinking. People insisting that “We must not hurt Little Johnnys Id” and “We can’t stiffle Little Suzys creativity or self esteem”

        Cops in schools and other discipline problems are the direct result of the thinking of the same people that don’t like to keep score at sporting events because it makes the kids that lose feeeeeeeeeeel bad and the thinking of the same people that want to give a trophy to every kid that plays to make them feeeeeeeeeel good about themselves.

        Furthermore, this same thinking made it so that special Ed kids are in the same classes as regular kids, because we don’t want them to feeeeeeeeeeeel different, even though they are. This leads to disruptions in the classroom as well.

        And the thing that’s both funny and sad about all of this is that now those very same people that got all of this stuff initiated are the same ones whining about the bad kids in schools

        Irony at it’s finest

        • No, Sarge, the differencer between now and 30 years ago is that – if she’d had her “@$$ whipped” at school, there was a darn good chance she’d get a second one at home. Those times, and those types of parents, seem to not be the norm like they were when you and I apparently were coming along.

          Your lines of thought linking cops in schools to “every kid gets a trophy” is as laughable as it is flat-out wrong. When the schools are challenged on every discipline decision, on every grade Johnny or Suzy receive (and by some of the most conservative pillars of the community, not just those hated “lib” types), and parents berate the schools as ineffective and the “bad guys,” and then school punishments are not reinforced at home, then kids are going to come to school thinking their poop smells like roses and that they can do whatever they want because “Mommy and Daddy” will come and fuss at the schools and they’ll back off. Cops are there because the world we live in is far tougher than when we were kids, in many ways.

          Your personal beefs against your daughter’s situation, and the bitterness about that and most everything contrary to your narrow, simplistic worldview, really undercuts any sort of argument you maybe wanted to make.

          • “No, Sarge, the differencer between now and 30 years ago is that – if she’d had her “@$$ whipped” at school, there was a darn good chance she’d get a second one at home. Those times, and those types of parents, seem to not be the norm like they were when you and I apparently were coming along.”

            On this we agree. If I got in trouble at school, which was rare, I not only feared the authorities at school, but I knew it was going to be worse at home. Probably the belt.

            Now, we have “parents” that have grown up in the same atmosphere as that I descibed, a trophy for everyone. No “Most vauable players” here because we don’t want anyone feeling left out. No belt, because that would be “child abuse”.

            The kids that were the recipients of that type of thinking are now raising kids. They are the same ones that buy Little Johnny a cell phone when he’s 10. And they are the same ones that bee otch to schools about their little darlings when the school calls them about their kids.

            This is where schools need to find a spine and where they need to have the tools at their disposal to either correct these kids attitudes or get rid of them for awhile

            A “student behavior contract”? What the hell is that?

            Revocation of priviliges? What privliges? Why do students even have “priviliges” in school?

            Boy, those things must really put the fear of God into the kiddies

            I had quite the conversation with one of the teachers where my daughter goes to school. No standing them in the corner. No noses on boards. Nothing that might embarrass Little Johnny because again, we don’t want to hurt their feeeeeeeeeelings. Teachers have nothing in their arsenal, and the result is apparent

            You can argue all day long that liberal ideals and thoughts have no bearing, but to do so shows a denial of reality

    • Wow, Sheriff Roper is just terrible! He saw video of a crime and he acted! He really should lose his job. And that ACA, she saw a video of a crime and she took it to court and prosecuted. And that Judge, holy cow!!! He found someone guilty of a crime that was committed on camera! How dare they!!!

      If you couldn’t tell, that was completely sarcastic.

    • You complain when the sheriffs department doesn’t act but yet you complain when they do. You really should make up your mind. Do you want them to ignore crimes or prosecute them?

      • I don’t want them to do anything. I want the schools to do something

        • Again, you presume that the school hasn’t already done things, in response to other stuff she may have done. This, then, given its violent nature and clear premediation and lacking any sort of remorse on her part, necessitated a stronger response.

          You’re teeing off on a poorly-researched and poorly-written article that is decidedly biased.

          • If you look at one of my initial responses, I asked if there was anything else to the story and “if this article was accurate”.

            And my “T-Off” is based not only on this article, but my encounters with the Fredcerick County school system as well, who have the same type of issues with discipline, namely a lack of tools in the arsenal to discipline with and a distinct aversion to even dispensing dicipline.

            It’s endemic in all schools today

      • Another View says:

        Law enforcement has discretion. It is foolish in this instance to use your discretion to turn a schoolyard spat into a crime. The Sheriff, the Commonwealth’s Attorney–not the assistant–and the Judge all disgraced themselves.

    • Just another resident says:

      If you are unable to see how “vicious” a 15 year old girl can be, you haven’t taken a very close look at today’s youth. Just so you know, the answer is *extremely* vicious.

  12. Clarke Life says:

    “Honestly, had the principal called me and asked me to come get a kid that was in a sibling fight, I would have laughed.”

    Thats the problem these days! The parents expect the school to teach their kids and be parents as well. How about if they called you Sarge, you went and got her and took care of business yourself. I know you can’t do that when you are too busy trolling other sites spewing the daily Right-Winged Hate…… I don’t get you people. Just the other day I see everyone talking crap saying the schools need to do more… They do it and now here we are again. More crying and complaining.
    Sarge, you are kidding me right, Detention? Suspension? Thats what these kids want nowadays. So they can go sit on their IPhone and Tweet to their buddies all day……

    Responsibilty!!!!! Take it for your kids….

    • Uhh, you take their Iphones and all their electronic stuff. You make them sit in silence and stare at the walls the way they used to do. Or is that too brutal a punishment in the estimation of the libs these days? I mean, we wouldn’t want Little Suzy’s Id to be hurt, or her self esteem to be damaged, now would we?

      Bring back corporal punishment. Make the kiddies fear going to the principals like they used to. Save the cops for drugs and fights with blunt instruments and such.

      Why is this so hard?

      • Clarke Life says:

        Thats the point! The parents won’t take the stuff!!!!! I blame them…. They hear little sally or johnny cry for about 10 minutes and then they give in and give their stuff back!!!! They need to be their friends first and be liked by them rather than doing the real job of teaching and parenting!!!!

        • I agree. But I’m saying, the SCHOOL should take the stuff as the kiddies enter detention. Again, how hard is this?

      • Funny, all these people hitting the negative button to my comments. It’s people like you that have neutered the schools so much that they can’t deal with little delinquents like the one in this story

        • jennifer says:

          Really? you care?

          No Sarge, it is you and the author of this article that want to neuter the schools ability to deal with delinquents like the one in this story. Seems like the schools did the right thing…suspension, expulsion, call the law (as required by law). It is funny how you guys can take something that would be a normal battle cry for your kind…prosecute, throw the book at ’em, put em away…and turn it around to a anti government schpiel whenever convenient. Based on what…looks and dad’s rank in state government. Or maybe they go to your “church”.

          • I agree Jennifer. Because if this situation were ignored by the school, law enforcement etc and it happened again and someone were seriously injured, those thinking the situation is “stupid” would be demanding answers as to why it wasn’t taken seriously the first time.

            You just can’t win with some people.

          • You’ve got me all wrong here Jennifer. I’m all for discipline……….IN SCHOOLS. By SCHOOLS.

            Hell, if this standard were applied when I went to CCHS, half the kids there would have been in jail. I saw one kid hit another so hard in the mouth one time his bottom teeth came through his lip. Never mind that the kid that got hit provoked the fight. I don’t think anything happened from that incident except that the kid that ran his mouth learned not to run his mouth. I saw our future Homecoming Queen get in a hell of a cat fight with some other girl on the front steps. Nails, hair pulling, the “B” word and others flying. Quite “vicsious” those of us standing around watching it thought. No cops involved on that one either.

            And yet somehow………..we survived and became productive memebers of society.

            Imagine that

          • jennifer says:

            “And yet somehow………..we survived and became productive members of society.”

            some did and some didn’t.

            It would be helpful for you to try to have an open minded approach to thinking about how things have evolved from the good old days when bullying, schoolroom brawls/cat fights, and corporal punishment were an accepted normal right of passage, to the paranoid and overprotective world of today. You see I agree that things have gone too far in schools and in our society overall (maybe not quite as too far as you and AV believe, but definitely too far.)

            The Columbine high school shooting and rash of occasional copy cat shootings around the country as well as student suicides and the awareness that these incidents were almost always caused by the same things. The murders and suicide victims often shared the same traits – they didn’t always come from troubled homes but for whatever reason they were tormented or outcast at school. These events were terrible and frightening. They were/are happening in regular places, not just inner cities. The natural response is to want to prevent that from happening and unfortunately look for someone to blame.Somebody should have known, right? Somebody should have seen it coming and done something…. Of course, that someone is the school administrators.

            The politicians (of all varieties mind you) start making laws; anti bullying laws, reports to file, etc. Parents of children who get in trouble for such things then complain that their kid is innocent thus requiring more documentation. Every law they make is just one more band aid on a ready-to-burst dam. They seem like a good idea at the time but don’t solve the problem and just create more red tape and take time away from teaching and learning.

            Should schools be able to have the authority to properly punish kids who break the rules, of course. But then they should be able to tell the parents “too bad” when they come complaining. That authority is not there.

            When a student breaks the law, of the state or the country, then the law must be involved. The schools aren’t here to replace the law. (Of course they weren’t supposed to be here to be everybody’s doctor/parent/psychologist either) Assault and Battery is a violation of the law. Someone has to determine the difference between a normal fist fight vs real down and dirty violence. The safest and smartest thing for a school administrator to do when in doubt is to leave that decision to the law. Truly your school administrators are not lazy as you suggested before. They just are covering themselves and our students, from expensive litigation, and from the “someone should have known”.

            On a much larger scale of course, the 9/11 attacks created a huge backlash of “protective” laws that give more power to the government. Some really frightening stuff is happening, and while I am sure you are aware, many others (if not most) are totally unaware. All of this, the school laws and the “Patriot Act” is all part of the politics of fear and it is not part of the “liberal agenda” anymore than it is a part of the “conservative conspiracy”. Such broad generalizations and polarization are what is destroying this country. If only we as a country could come together and figure out what it is we do want from our schools and our governments we could be great again. Unfortunately I think we are getting further away from that place, not closer.

            done

          • Well, now you’re talking. I agreed with you completely for about the first five paragraphs, right up to the involvement of law enforcement. And I’ll even agree that there are times they need to be involved. I think you and I and others just disagree on what severity needs to be achieved before they are brought in.

            And on another note, what age is appropriate to call the law? Gonna do the same thing if two first graders get into it? Whats the line?

            As for unity, I think that’s a pretty easy thing most times. I think everyone here agrees that this girls behavior is/was atrocious, that there is no room for her behavior in school

            Easy, huh?

            You and think the pendulum has swung too far in favor of kids “rights” and too far away from the good order and discipline that is needed in schools to promote a benificial learning environment. We even agree it’s gone too far in society

            Still easy, huh?

            The solution to this particular issue is to crack down on kids. I don’t mean send them to the gulag, but I mean make them mind. Promote quaint things like “manners” from an early age. Encourage hard work. Take away their damned ipods and phones and have the doo dads to call parents and say “Hey, I have your kids ipod. You can pick it up at my office” Or better yet, just ban ipods and such if they are that bid a distraction. Oh the horror! And get the laws changed to give the teachers a few more options to acheive order

            You and I and a lot of others can probably agree that the schools are not challenging the kids enough and that they are falling behind the rest of the world in test scores. THis can be fixed and it can start by going back to the Three R’s and getting rid of the classes that teach kids how to put a condom on a cucumber. Challenge kids to not only learn facts but ask them “Why?” something is the way it is. When I was an instructor in the Air Force, I always asked my troops that question. It promotes critical thinking.

            There are many things we can do for the schools, and while not everyone is going to agree to all things, I don’t think it’ would be too hard to change the atmosphere in schools

            See? Agreement;)

          • jennifer says:

            Well Sarge, sounds like you should get a teaching license or run for office. You could even tell the kids to call you Sarge.

      • Mike Sipe says:

        Because the parents/public will not le tit get back to the way it shold have been. Brainstorm , maybe it should be the parents making sure they are brought up right.

        • Clarke Life says:

          My thoughts too Mike! Why does the community think the schools are there to be parents to YOUR KIDS??? They get paid to teach your kids…… When you decide to have children, it begins your lifelong duty to Parent…… Quit passing the blame on the schools… It makes me sick….

          BE PARENTS

        • kids :/ says:

          Exactly! My way of thinking is if the teachers and administration are nice enough to want to teach my child something then i should be good enough to back them up when there’s a problem. And, if a talking to doesn’t work fun things will be taken away. If a child get’s a cellphone or something else taken away in school alot of parents (NOT ALL) get mad at the teachers.

    • DAWN PRICE says:

      yes they get to watch tv sponge bob and watch the teacher get on facebook and check her phone bill on the puter too .. they love it in there

      • DAWN PRICE says:

        WHAT DOES THE TRUTH HURT . THEY EVEN WATCH THEIR SOAP’S ON THE TV IN THE OFFICE

  13. Sheriff Buford T Justice says

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h3PAIrthTc

  14. n3utr0nru says:

    …And, god-forbid, if one of these ill-behaved kids SERIOUSLY hurt each other or someone else AFTER getting a “smack on the wrist…” I imagine the EXACT same folks would be in here feigning outrage that the situation wasn’t handled seriously and professionally – You can’t have it both ways people!!!

    I do agree that the punishment doled out APPEARS to be disproportionate, however I didn’t get to sit in court and see the evidence. None of us in here are privy to what other history of offenses or contact may have led up to this outcome either, as it is private information that the schools are bound to not disclose. It’s VERY easy to crank out a response when you don’t know, or aren’t willing to admit that you don’t know all of the facts. I prefer to give the staff at JWMS, many of whom I knew as colleagues, credit for doing a consistent job over the years. And, I would trust their judgement without hesitation.

    • Another View says:

      I wonder if you would feel the same way if it were your child. Somehow I doubt it.

  15. George Archibald says:

    The comments tell us that readers see the real problem here. This is an important unfolding story. The lid of secrecy is coming off some pretty bizarre mistakes in our community at the hands of trusted school officials and their law enforcement friends whose authority has been sadly misused at the expense of an innocent family of good people.

    As our civil rights history has taught us, the face of tyranny seen has to be confronted and reckoned with. The prejudice, disrespect, and disregard for the human rights, financial cost, inconvenience, and humiliation that has been imposed by the Clarke County public school division and law enforcement machinery upon the family involved in this story are almost beyond comprehension. This is an utter scandal right in our midst.

    This is one of the most unnecessary and unfair examples of government incompetence and willful violation of a good family’s decency and honesty that I have seen over many years as a news reporter in this area.

    The very fact that the leaders at Johnson-Williasms Middle School, along with law enforcement, and court authorities, have been able to use the juvenile system of anonymity and secrecy to hide what they have being doing to this family for three months as thug-bullies in the name of “justice,” actually seems to exemplify the very personification of injustice that puts a different meaning to the word “Corruption.”

    When this case reaches the Clarke County Circuit Court in just a few days, the lid of secrecy will be ripped off. The authorities will no longer be able to hide what they’re doing behind the hidden identities of the real victims here.

    We will then be able to see what has been done at the hands of so-called government “servants” in our community to deprive a family and its innocent children of their god-given civil liberties and honor just because they reacted wrongly to a silly everyday typical squabble between a pretty normal teenage sister and younger bigger brother, both attractive kids just into the difficult 14-to-15-year-old stage of adolescence, which should be the best time of their lives with young friends before the reality of adulthood locks them into the unending cycle of economic wants and reality.

    In this case, the smaller pretty 15-year-old sister planned her payback when brother got feisty at home, acting like Mister Tough Guy. She decided to embarrass him at school in front of other kids by jumping him in the school corridor and giving him what-for in front of everyone, until they were pulled apart fighting on the hall floorway.

    For that, our taxpayer-funded county government redirected its education and law enforcement machinery in the direction of this worthy good family at the expense of everyone else in order to show us the face of Big Government police-state authority and weapons at the ready to put everyone in their place as wanted by the armed men-in-black.

    That is the face of real corruption that any community, small or large, has to face and extinguish in today’s world before the liberty of an entire community is placed in real jeopardy. This is serious wrongdoing at the hands of your local government, so stay tuned as this true story continues to unfold.

    • jennifer says:

      George, you are clearly not an “unbiased reporter” here. You are basing your beliefs on the physical appearance of the children involved, which i hate to tell you even attractive young people can be violent. The fact is you were not there. I know a student who did witness the event and it was every bit as violent as indicated, and definitely NOT normal sibling behavior. The school system IS required to report violent acts in the schools AND they are responsible by law to report concerns of domestic violence.(Code of Virginia § 22.1-279.3:1 (D) If a child acts like this in public, one can only imagine what they do at home. And the fact that the brother would indicate that it was no big deal when the video and witness accounts suggest otherwise leads one to wonder…
      .
      Also this cloak of secrecy that you rant on about is also required by law. It is to protect the student’s records and adhered to by the courts also.

      • Another View says:

        A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Before you go citing the Virginia Code, you might wish to do a little practical application. Your understanding of the law would require every punch in the arm to be reported to law enforcement. THAT IS NOT THE LAW!

        This was not a crime. This was not a crime. This was not a crime. The Principal, the Sheriff, the Commonwealth’s Attorney and the Judge should all be ashamed of themselves.

        • hhhmmm... says:

          It seems to me it was a crime. It happened on school property which makes a student beating up on another student. Now, if it would have happened at home then that would be a whole different story.

          • Another View says:

            What? You cannot beat on someone in public, but you can at home? RIDICULOUS!

          • hhmmm... says:

            Nope…no need to twist my words..I’ll try to make my view a little plainer. If it was at home it would have been a fight between 2 siblings. Up to the parents to take action. The schools have to protect every student. Therefore, it was not just a ‘silly’ sibling fight. It was a fight between 2 students.Also I’m imagining but don’t know until I hear some facts but it sounds like a lot more then just a shove or a punch in the arm. And I’d also like to know if there was trouble with this girl before this incident. If so were the parents called? Did they do something? Did they try to work with the teachers? The admin can only do so much if we’re not willing to be a parent and back them up. You are supposed to send your kids to school to learn not expect the school to raise them.

          • Another View says:

            I did not twist your words, and you have not changed the premise. According to you, the same incident would not be a crime if it occurred at home. That is nuts. If it is a crime at school, it is a crime at home.

            And I repeat; it was not a crime. And even if the girl’s parents were the worst, most difficult in the County, refusing to cooperate with the Principal, that still does not make it a crime. The Principal, the Sheriff, the Commonwealth’s Attorney, the Judge–government officials all–took the easy way out and asserted draconian force against a little girl, instead of working to resolve the problem. These government officials and those who support them are bullies and cowards.

          • hhmmm... says:

            If it happened at home then it would have been up to the parents or the brother to decide if it was criminal enough to call the police. It was done on school property so therefore it was up to the admin to take action and decide what to do. And, I don’t think they took the easy way out all. All this did was put the spotlight on them and for some reason that only they know they thought this was the best way. After all they have this child 5 dys a week and 6 or so hrs a day so they know more of the situation then any of us do.

    • “Lid of secrecy”? Really, George? Please…you’re rooting around trying to make a story to slur the school administration out of nothing.

      You don’t know that girl’s school record, you haven’t seen the video, you only spoke with the parents (yeah, they’re not biased)…come on, man, that’s faling Journalism 101. You hang around the courthouse trying to get some “scoop” and – in the absence of anything legit – you fabricate this and couch it in your “newshound” vernacular…and then take a cue from “Another View” and veer off into some Ayn-Rand-worthy dismissal of the school administration and sheriff’s office conduct of their jobs.

      I also know a student who witnessed it, and you really don’t known what you’re talking about. This quote of yours is most telling:

      “In this case, the smaller pretty 15-year-old sister planned her payback when brother got feisty at home, acting like Mister Tough Guy. She decided to embarrass him at school in front of other kids by jumping him in the school corridor and giving him what-for in front of everyone, until they were pulled apart fighting on the hall floorway.”

      School is no place to give him “what-for,” especialy not when she waited for him, ambushed him, knocked him to the ground and all. The fact that she stated, in court, that it didn’t seem like a big deal “because he’s chubby” further illustrates her reckless and care-less attitude.

    • livein22611 says:

      Are you kidding me?? What a joke! Lid of secrecy? Innocent child? Innocent family? [redacted] I am sick of the way people like you jump to the conclusion that the school and others are wrong. You are actually part of the problem. You want to make excuses and ignore the facts and victims in these cases. Every possible avenue has been taken [redacted] and they have ignored it all. I will agree that this “kid” should have been expelled years ago. [redacted] lack of parenting is the reason this has gotten this far. Social services should investigate [redacted]. It is mind-blowing that you can write about the “smaller pretty” sister! Do you know anything about what she has put the administration at JWMS through??? The students? The teachers? NO! Obviously you do not. Sometimes it just better to keep your mouth shut then to spew a bunch of bull around. Get the facts before you type or speak another word.

      And to the Clarke County Public Schools, expell this kid if you can. Our kids and teachers should not have to continue to deal with this.

  16. beenherealongtime says:

    The news just reported last week about a young man who killed his sister. He stated that he hated her and was not sorry. Violence is not acceptable, period. Perhaps the young woman in this case will get help and see that she could have and should have made better choices.

    • Another View says:

      In what world do you live? “Violence is not acceptable, period.”? Really?

      Schoolyard fights are not new. What is new is turning them into a crime.

      Violence is present in sports (watch a football game; heck, watch a girl’s field hockey game), in real life (self defense?), nature (carnivores kill), and at times, war. Violence is sometimes acceptable, and at times, necessary.

      I do not excuse the girl’s behavior in starting a fight. But I do not see this as the seeds of an adult crime spree.

      We are making a mountain out of a mole hill because no one–NO ONE–wants to go to the trouble of teaching this child right and wrong. It is easier to levy a draconian punishment than to put in the difficult effort to teach her responsibility.

  17. That is correct beenherealongtime. It does not matter that these were siblings, what matters is that a fight in school did occur and rules were broken that have consequences. If you can be violent to someone you live with and are “suppose” to love, you can be violent to others not only physically but verbally (another form of bullying). Violence also knows no boundaries to race, gender, or how much money you have or don’t have. Please don’t pigeon hole it.

    Thankfully, this involved only the use of herself in the violence and no weapon was brought into the school. I am sure if that was the case, then people would sing a different tune.

    • Another View says:

      Well yes. There is a big difference between a physical fight between children and bringing a weapon (gun, knife) to school. They are not the same, and should not be treated the same.

      I hate to break it to you, but children can be cruel. They fight, they call names, they tease, they “bully”. It is life. It has always been this way.

      It is the job of adults–parents, teachers, neighbors–to teach children the proper way to behave. And it is a hard job. It takes time, effort and patience.

      But you are not doing your job to teach children how to behave when you throw up your hands and call this incident a crime. LOCK HER UP! What does that teach her? Nothing, but introduce her to a system that will likely inculcate worse behaviors.

      We need more adult effort, not adult surrender. What happened here is the surrender of parental authority to government coercion. This is sad.

    • I wouold imagine that had this girl used a weapon, most people here would be saying “call the law”

      THAT is when you call the cops. NOT for a brother/sister fight that you are either too lazy or too incompetent to handle

  18. What a joke. What happened to in school punishment. This is such a waste of tax money and resources. But then again the offices in our current day mayberry need some kind of story to get in the spot light. Such a shame to waste tax money and time on this kind of sibling fuss. No wonder clarke county has such a low crime rate………concentrate on real crimes!!!!!!!

    • livein22611 says:

      This is what happens when all school punishments have been used to no avail and the parents ignore the problem. Your taxpayer money has already been wasted by paying teachers and adminstrators to deal with this “kid” and the delinquent parents instead of teaching as they should. Why would you assume the schools did nothing but call the cops on the first offense? You should get the facts.

  19. Father and Teacher of the Year Nominee right here

    http://www.theswellesleyreport.com/2012/06/wellesley-high-grads-told-youre-not-special/

    Commencement address, in part;

    And your ceremonial costume… shapeless, uniform, one-size-fits-all. Whether male or female, tall or short, scholar or slacker, spray-tanned prom queen or intergalactic X-Box assassin, each of you is dressed, you’ll notice, exactly the same. And your diploma… but for your name, exactly the same.

    All of this is as it should be, because none of you is special.

    You are not special. You are not exceptional.

    Contrary to what your u9 soccer trophy suggests, your glowing seventh grade report card, despite every assurance of a certain corpulent purple dinosaur, that nice Mister Rogers and your batty Aunt Sylvia, no matter how often your maternal caped crusader has swooped in to save you… you’re nothing special.

    Yes, you’ve been pampered, cosseted, doted upon, helmeted, bubble-wrapped. Yes, capable adults with other things to do have held you, kissed you, fed you, wiped your mouth, wiped your bottom, trained you, taught you, tutored you, coached you, listened to you, counseled you, encouraged you, consoled you and encouraged you again. You’ve been nudged, cajoled, wheedled and implored. You’ve been feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie. Yes, you have. And, certainly, we’ve been to your games, your plays, your recitals, your science fairs. Absolutely, smiles ignite when you walk into a room, and hundreds gasp with delight at your every tweet. Why, maybe you’ve even had your picture in the Townsman! [Editor’s upgrade: Or The Swellesley Report!] And now you’ve conquered high school… and, indisputably, here we all have gathered for you, the pride and joy of this fine community, the first to emerge from that magnificent new building…

    But do not get the idea you’re anything special. Because you’re not.

    The empirical evidence is everywhere, numbers even an English teacher can’t ignore. Newton, Natick, Nee… I am allowed to say Needham, yes? …that has to be two thousand high school graduates right there, give or take, and that’s just the neighborhood Ns. Across the country no fewer than 3.2 million seniors are graduating about now from more than 37,000 high schools. That’s 37,000 valedictorians… 37,000 class presidents… 92,000 harmonizing altos… 340,000 swaggering jocks… 2,185,967 pairs of Uggs. But why limit ourselves to high school? After all, you’re leaving it. So think about this: even if you’re one in a million, on a planet of 6.8 billion that means there are nearly 7,000 people just like you. Imagine standing somewhere over there on Washington Street on Marathon Monday and watching sixty-eight hundred yous go running by. And consider for a moment the bigger picture: your planet, I’ll remind you, is not the center of its solar system, your solar system is not the center of its galaxy, your galaxy is not the center of the universe. In fact, astrophysicists assure us the universe has no center; therefore, you cannot be it. Neither can Donald Trump… which someone should tell him… although that hair is quite a phenomenon.

    “But, Dave,” you cry, “Walt Whitman tells me I’m my own version of perfection! Epictetus tells me I have the spark of Zeus!” And I don’t disagree. So that makes 6.8 billion examples of perfection, 6.8 billion sparks of Zeus. You see, if everyone is special, then no one is. If everyone gets a trophy, trophies become meaningless. In our unspoken but not so subtle Darwinian competition with one another–which springs, I think, from our fear of our own insignificance, a subset of our dread of mortality — we have of late, we Americans, to our detriment, come to love accolades more than genuine achievement. We have come to see them as the point — and we’re happy to compromise standards, or ignore reality, if we suspect that’s the quickest way, or only way, to have something to put on the mantelpiece, something to pose with, crow about, something with which to leverage ourselves into a better spot on the social totem pole. No longer is it how you play the game, no longer is it even whether you win or lose, or learn or grow, or enjoy yourself doing it… Now it’s “So what does this get me?” As a consequence, we cheapen worthy endeavors, and building a Guatemalan medical clinic becomes more about the application to Bowdoin than the well-being of Guatemalans. It’s an epidemic — and in its way, not even dear old Wellesley High is immune… one of the best of the 37,000 nationwide, Wellesley High School… where good is no longer good enough, where a B is the new C, and the midlevel curriculum is called Advanced College Placement. And I hope you caught me when I said “one of the best.” I said “one of the best” so we can feel better about ourselves, so we can bask in a little easy distinction, however vague and unverifiable, and count ourselves among the elite, whoever they might be, and enjoy a perceived leg up on the perceived competition. But the phrase defies logic. By definition there can be only one best. You’re it or you’re not.

    If you’ve learned anything in your years here I hope it’s that education should be for, rather than material advantage, the exhilaration of learning. You’ve learned, too, I hope, as Sophocles assured us, that wisdom is the chief element of happiness. (Second is ice cream… just an fyi) I also hope you’ve learned enough to recognize how little you know… how little you know now… at the moment… for today is just the beginning. It’s where you go from here that matters.

  20. Confused says:

    Sarge- You only posted part of that commencement speech from the High school in Mass.

    Here is the rest:

    The fulfilling life, the distinctive life, the relevant life, is an achievement, not something that will fall into your lap because you’re a nice person or mommy ordered it from the caterer. You’ll note the founding fathers took pains to secure your inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness–quite an active verb, “pursuit”–which leaves, I should think, little time for lying around watching parrots rollerskate on Youtube. The first President Roosevelt, the old rough rider, advocated the strenuous life. Mr. Thoreau wanted to drive life into a corner, to live deep and suck out all the marrow. The poet Mary Oliver tells us to row, row into the swirl and roil. Locally, someone… I forget who… from time to time encourages young scholars to carpe the heck out of the diem. The point is the same: get busy, have at it. Don’t wait for inspiration or passion to find you. Get up, get out, explore, find it yourself, and grab hold with both hands. (Now, before you dash off and get your YOLO tattoo, let me point out the illogic of that trendy little expression–because you can and should live not merely once, but every day of your life. Rather than You Only Live Once, it should be You Live Only Once… but because YLOO doesn’t have the same ring, we shrug and decide it doesn’t matter.)

    None of this day-seizing, though, this YLOOing, should be interpreted as license for self-indulgence. Like accolades ought to be, the fulfilled life is a consequence, a gratifying byproduct. It’s what happens when you’re thinking about more important things. Climb the mountain not to plant your flag, but to embrace the challenge, enjoy the air and behold the view. Climb it so you can see the world, not so the world can see you. Go to Paris to be in Paris, not to cross it off your list and congratulate yourself for being worldly. Exercise free will and creative, independent thought not for the satisfactions they will bring you, but for the good they will do others, the rest of the 6.8 billion–and those who will follow them. And then you too will discover the great and curious truth of the human experience is that selflessness is the best thing you can do for yourself. The sweetest joys of life, then, come only with the recognition that you’re not special.

    Because everyone is.

    Congratulations. Good luck. Make for yourselves, please, for your sake and for ours, extraordinary lives.

    David McCullough

    Now, not sure what you get from that. But what I get from that is LIVE to ENJOY life. Don’t worry about the result. I am not sure how this relates to a sibling fight at a middle school. Unless of course you are referring to a sister’s right to enjoy her life by publicly humiliating her brother and violently attacking him (which was caught on camera) which was in a direct violation of school policy and his right to enjoying his life to the fullest. So thanks for this link, it only further solidifies in my mind the appropriate actions were taken. Nobody in that hallway witnessing this horrific incident were living their life to the fullest and now in my opinion I think she violated all the rights of other students and staff having to witness this.

    • “Now, not sure what you get from that.”

      What I get from that is that someone else is rebuking the atmosphere that has been fostered for years now that every Little Johnny and LIttle Suzy is a shining light in the universe. Here, have a trophy, because you deserve it.

      This is the type of thinking that, as I’ve been saying, has led to a lack of discipline in the schools. It could well be the type of “parenting” these kids have been the beneficiary of as well. Either that, or no parentling at all.

      • Confused says:

        Sarge- It’s nice of you to taking a partial peice of a commencement address about living life to the fullest totally out of context and applying it to fighting in a middle school. Makes absolutely no sense.

        Where is the lack of discipline you ask? Looks like she’ll get her discipline.

        [redacted]

        • Nothing was out of context. I posted the relevent part AND the link, so others could read the whole story if they liked.

          Again, the part I posted pertains to the atmosphere in todays world at large, where kids “rights” over rule any sense of discipline.

          It’s about time somebody piped up and called a spade a spade.

  21. Only one person in the wrong here, she should have been given 50 hours of community service and probation. The judge let his emotions get in the way. He should have called the parents out, given them community service also. The crime doesn’t equal the punishment.

  22. Been there says:

    Well, I suspect none of you who have opined here have ever spent a day in the court of the Honorable Judge Napier.

    I have.

    If you did; you may have witnessed Judge Napier face many of children and their parents who cannot send their children to school for fear of further assault/bullying and elect to face the penalty-as I did for the safety of my child.

    I think Judge Napier is FED-UP with CCPS and this is simply a message.

    Had Mr. Archibald been more diligent in his reporting, he may have researched his subject more carefully and cite VDOE mandated reporting from CCPS.

    • Been there says:

      Again, I would like to hear from Mr. Archibald, a Pulitzer nominated reporter about how often he has covered the Honorable Judge Napier.

      Is he qualified to opine in this matter about Judge Napier’s sentence?

  23. George Archibald says:

    For “Been there”: I have not covered Judge Napier’s court at any time before this story emerged. I took a two-year leave from The Washington Times newspaper in 1994-95 to serve as editor-general manager of The Warren Sentinel weekly newspaper in Front Royal-Warren County, where attorney brothers Ronald and Douglas Napier were prominent respected community leaders. We had a respectful relationship and they both knew publisher Thomas T. Byrd, who also owns The Winchester Star, the Sentinel’s parent newspaper, and is a resident of Clarke County.

    I am qualified to report and write any unfolding news story based on the facts, having been a reporter or newspaper editor in some capacity since 1960, when I started at the Loudoun Raider student newspaper at Loudoun County High School. I was editor of my college newspaper at Old Dominion College (now uniuversity) from 1965-67; editor of the base newspaper during my voluntary military service at Williams Air Force Base, Arizona during the Vietnam War 1968-71; staff writer at The Arizona Republic in Phoenix, 1970-73; and national news and investigative reporter at The Washington Times 1982-92 and 1995 until retirement in September 2005. I hope this satisfies any concerns about my qualifications.