Sex Ed Coming to Clarke Schools

The Clarke County School Board revived the process of developing a sex education curriculum for Clarke County Public School students Monday night. Also known as “Family Life Education” (FLE), the curriculum development process promises to be complex as school officials seek to tailor educational materials to a citizen constituency with differing views and opinions on the role of the school system in guiding social behavior and values.

At Monday night school board meeting Clarke County Public Schools Superintendent Dr. Michael Murphy attempted to set expectations for the FLE development process. “Anything that we do in this area has to be tailored to meet the unique needs of our community” Murphy said. Murphy emphasized that the School Health Advisory Board (SHAB) comprised of school nurse Dorothy Clark, parents, community members and school staff members, will play an important role in development of the FLE policies.

Clark and the current SHAB have been involved in FLE off and on since 1998 but at present, CCPS has not Family Life Education curriculum. Once the SHAB becomes active again, school staff will develop a draft regulation to guide the FLE process. The draft regulation will then receive validation by school staff, the SHAB, and then presented to the school board for review and comment.

Murphy stressed that the FLE process will be as public as possible to ensure there are no surprises at the end of the journey.

As with all FLE programs statewide, Clarke County’s family life education program and curriculum is governed under the Virginia Department of Education’s FLE standards of learning objectives. Virginia policy is to keep tight rein on any material used for sex education. For example, all instructional materials of any kind used in sex education courses must be approved by the State Board of Education and Superintendent Murphy. Similarly, no materials relating to sex education may be made available for circulation to students through the school libraries or media centers to students unless the State Board of Education and the local school board have has approved the materials.

When it comes to actual classroom teaching, VDOE policy requires Murphy to appoint a FLE leader for each grade level. The FLE leaders will assist in training teachers and work with the community and staff to assist in the implementation and evaluation of the FLE program. All teachers who teach Family Life Education are required to participate in a Virginia Department of Education FLE training program.

VDOE says that portions of FLE classes which deal exclusively with human sexuality may be conducted in separate sessions for boys and girls. An “opt-out” policy will be available to parents that chose for their children not to participate in the family life education program.

Murphy and the school board have their work cut out if Clarke County public opinion on sex education follows the same divisions as did recent debate related to underage drinking. Public sentiment over how best to handle substance abuse problems erupted when   a rising high school senior was tragically killed in a drunk driving accident this summer.

With regard to underage drinking, Clarke County citizens are generally divided along two opinions; On one side, many citizens voiced strong opinion that substance abuse education was first and foremost the responsibility of the family and that school intervention is largely ineffective in preventing substance abuse. The opposing viewpoint is that the pervasiveness of teen substance abuse demonstrates that many families either do not care or are ineffective in communicating substance abuse guidance to teens therefore requiring the intervention of school systems to reduce teen substance abuse.

While parental discussions with teens over substance abuse can be difficult at times, sex education discussion can be every bit as challenging of a discussion topic.

Many health care professionals advocate strong FLE programs as a means to reduce teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections. Jessica Edwards, an OB/GYN physician in Winchester said “Even if you don’t think that your child is having sex you still need to be talking to them about sex.”

CCHS principal Dr. John Werner, a member of the board of directors for CLEAN (Community and Law Enforcement Against Narcotics) an organization dedicated to assisting young people in avoiding destructive decisions, said recently ”Kids are going to get information about drugs, sex and other things from somewhere. Knowledge is power. There’s a silent majority out there that wants to be more aware about these kinds of issues.”

Two school board members are tentatively slated to serve on the SHAB committee that will develop the family life education policy. As of Monday’s meeting, no decision had been made on who the SHAB school board members will be.

Comments

  1. As long as they stay away from homosexuality.

    • Mr Mister says:

      Why, because talking about it will create more? The whole point of discussing issues is for prevention of STDs and teen preg. Not to condone any behavior. Look around the school and you will see a few homosexuals alredy. Doesn’t the school have a club for gay and gay freindlies?

    • Michelle Graham says:

      Yup! cause if you ignore it, it goes away. Come on!
      I’m hoping the group in charge of the curriculum consider both biology and tolerance.

      • Come on, now. Leave RW alone. Research has shown that The Homosexual Agenda (below) is a real threat – just check out what might happen @ 3:33 on any given day if we aren’t careful.

        8:00 a.m. Wake up. Wonder where you are.

        8:01 a.m. Realize you are lying on 100 percent cotton sheets of at least a 300 count, so don’t panic; you’re not slumming.

        8:02 a.m. Realize you are actually in your own bed for a change. Wake stranger next to you and tell them you are late for work so won’t be able to cook breakfast for them. Mutter “sorry” as you help him look for his far-flung underwear. You find out that you tore his boxers while ripping them off him last night, so you “loan” him a pair of boxer-briefs, but not the new ones because you never intend to see him again.

        8:05 a.m. Tell the stranger, whose name eludes you, “It was fun. I’ll give you a call,” as you usher him out the door, avoiding his egregious morning-breath.

        8:06 a.m. Crumple and dispose of the piece of paper with his telephone number on it when you get to the kitchen.

        8:07 a.m. Make a high protein breakfast while watching the Today show. Wonder if the stories you’ve heard about Matt Lauer are true. Decide they must be.

        8:30 a.m. Italian or domestic? Decide to go with three-button Italian and the only shirt that is clean.

        8:45 a.m. Climb into red Z4 and try not to look too much like Barbie driving one of her accessories as you pull out of your underground parking. Revos or Armanis? Go with Revos.

        9:35 a.m. Stroll into office.

        9:36 a.m. Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend’s boyfriend but quickly add “It doesn’t matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him.”

        10:15 a.m. Leave office, telling your secretary you are “meeting with a client.” Pretend not to notice her insubordinate roll of her eyes (or the cloying “poem” she has tacked to her cubicle wall).

        10:30 a.m. Hair appointment for lowlights and cut. Purchase of Aveda anti-humectant pomade.

        11:30 a.m. Run into personal trainer at gym. Pester him about getting you Human Growth Hormone. Spend 30 minutes talking to friends on your cell phone while using Hammer Strength machines, preparing a mental-matrix of which circuit parties everyone is going to and which are now passe.

        12:00pm Tan. Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.

        12:30 p.m. Pay trainer for anabolic steroids and schedule a workout. Shower, taking ten minutes to knot your tie while you check-out your best friend’s boyfriend undress with the calculation of someone used to wearing a t-back and having dollars stuffed in their crotch.

        1:00 p.m. Meet someone for whom you only know his waist, chest and penis size from AOL M4M chat for lunch at a hot, new restaurant. Because the maître d’ recognizes you from a gay bar, you are whisked past the Christian heterosexual couples who have been waiting patiently for a table since 12:30.

        2:30 p.m. “Dessert at your place.” Find out, once again, people lie on AOL.

        3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations’ governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic “art” exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.

        4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.

        4:30 p.m. Take a disco-nap to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest and being so terribly witty.

        6:00 p.m. Open a fabulous new bottle of Malbec.

        6:47 P.M. Bake Ketamine for weekend. Test recipe.

        7:00 P.M. Go to Abercrombie & Fitch and announce in a loud voice, “Over!”

        7:40 P.M. Stop looking at the photographic displays at Abercrombie & Fitch and go to a cool store to begin shopping.

        8:30 p.m. Light dinner with catty homosexual friends at a restaurant you will be “over” by the time it gets its first review in the local paper.

        10:30 p.m. Cocktails at a debauched gay bar, trying to avoid alcoholic queens who can’t navigate a crowd with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Stoli in a cheap plastic cup in the other. Make audible remark about how “trashy” people who still think smoking is acceptable are.

        12:00 a.m. “Nightcap at your place.” Find out that people lie in bars, too.

        • Carl M Chapman says:

          Hilarious. +100

        • upandat'em says:

          Best thing I’ve read all week! Kudos to you…

        • Just sayin says:

          So…your post falls into the “takes one to know one” category, eh? You certainly are “versed” in such a lifestyle.

          Seriously…the homophobia that’s exploded on here is exactly why FLE is needed in this county. I went to a public school in a county that is politically redder than good ol’ Clarke, and we had FLE without incident. The classes stuck to the facts, and serious discussions were led by a teacher who wouldn’t tolerate stupid, knee-jerk, wingnut, unsupported opinions. Yes, religious opinions were allowed, but ALL viewpoints were considered equally.

          So…RW and SEP…get over yourselves. There’ll be a place and time to offer thoughtful, pertinent input to what the curriculum will contain – as the article stated. Give the committee a chance to do its job.

          • The response was exactly what the headline was intended to bring.

          • “Homophobia” is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. Sometimes comments like the first in this thread deserve an over-the-top response.

    • Maybe if we as adults understood this issue more and opened our minds,( and our hearts)our children would stop being so opinionated and judgmental and those who are homosexual could live their life instead of feeling less than human and would not feel the only way to deal with life is to end it. Right to life means those who have already been born too!
      We educate our children in every discipline – science, math, lanuages, music, the arts etc. Yet we are so afraid to educate them about the facts of their sexuality, how their bodies work and how their split second decisions and choices can affect them and those they choose to “love”.
      Maybe we are so afraid, because we don’t know the facts any better then they do and can’t admit it. Let’s let the professionals help our children to learn the facts and maybe there should be the same kinds of classes for adults.

      Clarke County you are brave and forward thinking and caring to take this step in the schools. Thank you!!

      • What’s wrong with having an opinion? It’s what is great about our country. I am not a homophobe. I happen to be of the opinion that logically, homosexuality is wrong. It’s against God’s/Nature’s/Science intent. Only a male and a female may cause reproduction, that is the purpose and intent of species replication.

        • The lesson plan certainly doesn’t need to include discussions on sexual preference in the name of all thing PC and promote the definition of liberal tolerance. Sex education SHOULD thouroughly cover the human reproduction process and methods to prevent disease and pregnancy in humans. That’s about it.

          Preference is a personal decision and if it were up to me, we all would be keeping those decisions behind closed doors where they belong, not on TV or in some idiotic pride parade.

        • Because sex is only meant for reproduction, and any sexual behavior deviating from reproductive intent is immoral, condoms are immoral and against God’s “will”, along with any other sexual experience without the thought of popping out children. Come on man, if you’re going to have an opinion on why homosexuality is wrong (and not stem it from a religious standpoint while trying to mask it in realistic arguments), at least do it well.

          • You can take the religious aspect out of it completely, and it’s still against what nature intends. Homosexuality is against nature, period.

          • Yep – being gay is not natural. And as you know, Americans have always rejected unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester and air conditioning.

          • Unwelcome Outsider says:

            Being born blind or missing a limb is against what nature intends too. You don’t bear the same animosity toward those folks, do you?

            When you have billions and billions of cell divisions following the moment of conception, there is ample opportunity for the process to veer off the intended course. What happens if that occurs during the development of gender identity?

            If you’re going to claim logic, carry it all the way through; don’t just apply it to the end result.

          • So you’re saying both are abnormal?

          • Unwelcome Outsider says:

            Depends on the criteria you define as “normal”.

            If one’s beliefs limit “normal” to mean “able to procreate”, then in their worldview homosexuality *is* abnormal. I can’t argue that; it just seems intolerant and closed-minded to me.

            Personally, I believe that they’re like everybody else – fellow human beings who deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. They are no more in control of their sexual preference than you or I.

          • Fly on the wall says:

            Hmmm…since Sarge likes to quote Wikipedia, consider this article and its supporting sources:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

        • Am relieved that you know that “Only a female[egg] and male [sperm] may cause reproduction.”

          Your “logical” opinion then tells you that sex is only for procreation.
          Am certain that you do not practice what you preach.

        • Fly on the wall says:

          Ummm…there are dozens of species that replicate asexually (without a partner). So…perhaps lay off the blanket generalizations a bit.

    • positiveinfluence says:

      Im sorry but why would we take this discussion about truly needed education and turn it Political??????? stick to facts not opinions!!!

  2. Anyone remember when there used to be a thing called “parents”, and they wold go over this stuff

    I guess some “parents” are too busy planning their next undergage drinking party

    • Amen… Preach on Sarge…

      Need more parents to do there job and not worrying about being bffs’

  3. Fly Swatter says:

    It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!

  4. positiveinfluence says:

    I want to say that having some education is a good thing. There are plenty of parents who simply will not discuss this with their kids. If for the simple purpose of giving the child a trusted and educated adult to be able to ask questions to, or voice concerns, I think that is a good thing.
    HOWEVER, I do NOT think that teaching SAFE sex should be part of this teaching. I think we should be teaching abstinance as the ONLY safe option. Condoms are a “safer” choice than unprotected sex, but they have ZERO effectiveness against some diseases – HPV being one example – and that can lead to certain cancers/that can be deadly.
    I think some REALITY teaching would be very effective as well – whether by skit/or movie or story, show them a popular boy, and a popular girl – what their lives are like, filled with sports, fun, friends, activities, college visits…. and show them the alternative, what happens when all of the sudden you cant accept that college scholarship because you are having to work FT to support an infant. You cant go to the prom, or the basketball game because you cant find a babysitter. I somehow think some of these teen girls have sensationalized ideas of having a baby – its somehow “popular”, but I dont think they are thinking past the cute little baby, and to the FUTURE – the 18 years of responsibility this will require.

    • Carl M Chapman says:

      I really wish that this kind of thing worked for all students, but sadly the reality is that many high schoolers think that they are bullet proof. “In 2003, 62 percent of 12th graders had had sexual intercourse,”(http://www.kff.org/youthhivstds/upload/U-S-Teen-Sexual-Activity-Fact-Sheet.pdf).

      If we aren’t teaching safe sex in the school systems we’re putting a lot of students at risk because they are going to do it anyway. The most successful campaign that I know of that uses this strategy is for drug use. We know of it as “Above the Influence”. According to a report on socialbranding.org “The annual Monitoring the Future study, conducted by the University of Michigan reported a 23% decline in current use of illicit drugs by youth over the past 5 years and a 25% drop in marijuana use,” (http://www.socialbranding.org/sb/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=153&Itemid=48)

      A 25% drop over five years in sexual activity among high schoolers would be great, but 37% of high schoolers engaging in sexual activity (this is purely speculative considering it is not clear that Above the Influence is the sole reason for the huge decline in drug use) is still too many students involved in sexual activity to not teach safe sex practices.

      Furthermore, HPV is not necessarily a sexually transmitted disease. “Human papillomavirus (HPV) affects both females and males. HPV transmission can happen with any kind of genital contact with someone who has HPV—intercourse isn’t necessary. Many people who have HPV don’t even know it, because the virus often has no signs or symptoms. That means you can get the virus or pass it on to your partner without knowing it. In the United States, an estimated 75% to 80% of males and females will be infected with HPV in their lifetime.” (http://www.gardasil.com/hpv/hpv-types/hpv-transmission/index.html?WT.mc_id=GL0ES&MTD=2). There is also a vaccine for this now which is reccomended for young women.

      If we don’t teach safe sex in our schools we are doing a disservice to the students and the taxpayers who finance these classes.

      • Great post and links, Carl! I’ll put aside the Gay Agenda jokes for a minute to add this: when I was in grad school, I taught a human sexuality class to undergrads with an average age of 19-20. Some of the misinformation that they had picked up was absolutely astounding. When we got to the pregnancy prevention part of the course, I asked them to name some ways to not get pregnant. Some of their answers included: girls can’t get pregnant if they have sex standing up or while having their period; Saran Wrap makes a good condom (and one guy suggested the plastic wrap on a pack of cigarettes would work too); eating lots of various foods (spicy food, onions, garlic) made boys sterile, etc. Quite a few noted that anal intercourse would not lead to pregnancy but some seemed to discount the need to use a condom in that activity (“Why?!?! She can’t get pregnant!!”) And these were COLLEGE kids in the 1990s.

        I taught hundreds of kids and can count on one hand the number of times any of them named “abstinence” as a way to prevent pregnancy (partly peer pressure, I’m sure but still…) Same story when we talked about HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases. I have always wondered how many of them wound up being parents before they intended and how many are now HIV+…or worse. I hope Clarke County follows through with a comprehensive FLE program. Stress abstinence, of course, but give them ALL the other information they are going to need too: safer sex, how to say “no”, how to deal with the emotions that surround sex & rejection, how to cope with anti-gay bullying…

        You just might save a kid’s life.

    • REALITY is that unwanted pregnancy and STDs are not limited to teenagers. plenty of adults are burdened as well. Hopefully the importance of protection is stressed. No matter whom you choose.

      [redacted]

  5. Your comments are ignorant and hateful SEP. They have no place here, and the moderator ought to take them down.

    Clarke County’s students deserve a human sexuality course that teaches them the facts of reproduction and personal health. There’s nothing funny or queer about this area of study, and there’s nothing unique to Clarke County’s students that suggests they cannot be taught this subject in a forthright manner.

    • Roscoe,

      I have been pondering how to reply to your post, because other than the first two sentences, we are in complete agreement. About your first two sentences: my initial post was a joke, a satirical piece (yes, lifted from the internet) poking a little fun at those who think that if they close their eyes and cover their ears, gay people and their so-called “agenda” will disappear.

      Believe me, when it comes to implementing a comprehensive FLE program with complete and accurate information, we are on the same side.

  6. Alecia Schulz says:

    @Rightwinger-
    You need to be slapped. Who are you to say what is right and what is wrong? People should be able to love freely and it’s because of people like you that we have such low tolerance for homosexuality.
    I truly understand that you are allowed to have your own opinion but this is not the place to post one like that. Did you know that one-third of teens who commit suicide are gay?
    Clarke County teens are struggling with their sexuality even though a lot of people in the community are to arrogant to believe that gay people exist in our perfect little town. A few years back when a GSA was trying to be started at the high school a community member had the nerve to say ‘But gay people don’t exist in Clarke County’. The level of ignorance and stupidity are not helped by people like you. And I truly hope that you are not teacher in our community. Because sir, you need to keep your mouth shut and think before you click ‘submit comment’.

    • Alecia, again, it’s my OPIONION that homosexuality is against nature. Last time I checked, I’m allowed to have an OPINION and am able to FREELY EXPRESS that opinion, just like you are FREELY ALLOWED TO DISAGREE as publicly as you want. I don’t advocate violence against homosexuals, they’re still human beings. I have several friends who are gay as well, and they know my opinion.

      People who kill themselves have far more issues than homosexuality anyway, but it’s a convenient excuse to use.

      • Just sayin says:

        It’s not an “excuse,” and your trivializing of it in such a way is an example of the problem. Yes, the % in CCPS that would be gay is low – which only makes the stigma, bullying, and pressure all the greater, and thus the feeling of being alone and without any help. It’s about tolerance and showing respect to others; school is not the place to preach a religious viewpoint.

    • “People should be able to love freely and it’s because of people like you that we have such low tolerance for homosexuality.”

      Yes, because if it feels good, do it, right? Isn’t that the liberal mantra?

      There should be a low tolerance for homosexuality. It’s abnormal. It’s unnatural. It’s morally wrong. And God’s gonna see all those people at the end of the day. I don’t think he’s gonna be real happy either

      • Let me quote some famous words, “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it”.

        Ignorance is bliss

        • You can be here all you want. But when the agenda gets into the schools is where I draw the line with it

          • Serious question, Sarge: What is “the agenda” exactly?

          • Well, you have the WIki definition

            Homosexual agenda (or gay agenda) is a term used by social conservatives to describe the advocacy of cultural acceptance and normalization of non-heterosexual orientations and relationships.[1][2] The term is regarded as pejorative by some LGBT organisations.[3] The term is applied to efforts to change government policies and laws on LGBT issues (e.g., same-sex marriage, LGBT adoption, recognizing sexual orientation as a civil rights minority classification, LGBT military participation, inclusion of LGBT history and themes in public education) as well as non-governmental campaigns and individual actions which increase visibility and cultural acceptance of LGBT people, relationships, and identities.

            Then you have your militants

            [redacted]

            The link is pretty disgusting with foul langauge, so if you can’t deal with that, don’t open it. And I’m sure it’s not representative of all gays. But it was the first one that popped up in Google and represents how far some cam go. Once you open that can of worms it’s all downhill from there

            And being how gays are at most 2-3% of the population, as Rightwinger said, no need to bring it into the schools

            Just my 2 cents

          • Carl M Chapman says:

            The high school must have gay students then.

            It currently serves nearly 800 students (http://cchs.clarke.k12.va.us/)

            If we look at the national estimate of LGB people, “The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that there are 8.8 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons in the U.S based on the 2005/2006 American Community Survey” (http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm).

            8.8 divided by the U.S. population gives us about 3% of people in the U.S. being LGB.

            3% of 800 is 24. That is a whole class full of students. If we just go by the averages then it is important to teach tolerance in the schools considering the amount of potential LGB students at the high school

          • I guarantee there are gay kids @ CCHS. And @ JWIS, and quite probably at the elementary schools too. Now, before anyone jumps on me for suggesting that 3rd graders are having gay sex on the playground, please keep in mind that “being gay” and “having sex” are NOT the same thing (in fact, I firmly believe that some of the objections to comprehensive FLE that we have seen here come from the mistaken notion that gay people have or think about sex 24/7). A kid might know he or she is gay long before he or she becomes sexually active.

          • Thanks for your reply but I am more interested in what you think it means to “bring it into the schools”. Do you mean not mentioning the fact that gay people exist? Because that is going to be impossible. Kids will ask – they know gay people, they might have gay relatives, they see gay characters on TV. Little kids are going to hear anti-gay slurs on the playground and ask what they mean. Are you suggesting teachers just ignore their questions? A good teacher simply can’t do that. I went through CCPS from K-12 and the vast majority of my teachers were good ones – I imagine the same is true today.

          • Just sayin says:

            Seriously…you quoted Wikipedia? Wow…

            “…it’s all downhill from there.” Yeah…same thing was said about an integrated society (schools, the military, restrooms, etc.). Same thing was said about giving women the right to vote. Heck, at one point even the Americans with Disabilities Act was scoffed at as being unnecessary, because it impacts such a small % of the country. Do you not like those “agendas” either?

            There’s no need to make insulting remarks, or ones that dismiss “at most 2-3% of the population.” The US Census Bureau estimates the US population to be around 306 million people, so “2-3%” would STILL be between 6,120,000 and 9,180,000 people = roughly slightly less than to more than the population of the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. But…you see no need to discuss this in an age-appropriate manner? Using your guesstimate, we should ignore the “2-3%” of the CCHS students who would be homosexual (that’s 15-21 students). They don’t matter?

            Schools ain’t the place to preach any one particular religious viewpoint. The curriculum should focus on facts and an objective discussion of issues when it’s appropriate. Again, let the committee do it’s job.

      • Carl M Chapman says:

        I don’t think the first question that god asks me when I get to judgement is going to be about what I did with my [redacted].

        Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
        9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
        10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
        11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
        12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

        If we’re going to tell people that they are going to Hell for being Homosexual, then we need to tell anyone eating shrimp that God is going to damn them for all of eternity too.

        • Maybe so. But Romans calls homosexuality an ‘abomination”.

          Personally, I prefer not to argue the point from a theological standpoint simple because of the fact that a lot of liberals (and homosexual supporters ) tend to think of the Bible and religion in general as “fairy tales”.

          But anyone with a moral compass knows there is right and there is wrong. If homosexuality was right or even meant to be, then they’d be the 98% majority in the country and hetreos would the 2% minority

          • Carl M Chapman says:

            What Paul is giving a list of, in both verses that you cite, are examples of depraved conduct, AS HE SEES IT. His point is that when people turn their backs on God, they are prone to act in all kinds of sick ways; his point is not to list things that Christians should mark in their notebooks as being the “newly revised Levitical code”. Paul is saying, “You guys used to do all kinds of crazy stuff, but now that you have Jesus, you’ve got your act together.” I would say that there is a big difference between lustful, furtive couplings and a committed, healthy relationship. The notion of a committed, healthy homosexual relationship was utterly foreign to early Jews and Christians, as was the notion of abolition [of slavery], racial intermarriage, antiseptics, and all sorts of other things that we take for granted today.

            Also, Jesus never mentions homosexuality in the Gospels, not once. If it was so important that we had to clamp down on it anywhere and everywhere it rears its terrible head, don’t you think he would have at least, you know, brought it up?

            I am completely against homosexuals just having one night stands with each other and living in sin. I am also completely against heterosexuals doing the same exact thing.

          • Interesting says:

            Well Carl, I appreciate your attempts to contextualize the conversation but I think your attempts to align it with scriptures require a little more depth to be of any real value.

            Arguments from silence are dangerous as in “Jesus never mentioned homosexuality.” One may not speak about something and might condone, condemn, or feel ambivalent about that thing. Silence itself certainly does not prove anything, and often does not even imply anything convincing. The framework that Jesus lived in had a base line in Levitical Law so there are many things that Jesus does not call out directly that would have been taken for granted as being unacceptable.

            That said you really need to look at what he did say.

            As you noted, Jesus was not silent on the issue of sexuality. He explicitly rejected all forms of sexual immorality by using the categorical term in the original Greek porneia. Specifically in Matthew 5:19 “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”

            The phrase “sexual immorality” is the rendering of the English Standard Version (ESV) for the Greek porneia. The Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament says it means:
            πορνεία, ας, ἡ (1) generally, of every kind of extramarital, unlawful, or unnatural sexual intercourse fornication, sexual immorality, prostitution (1C 5.1); (2) when distinguished from adultery (μοιχεία) in the same context extramarital intercourse, sexual immorality, fornication (MT 15.19); (3) as a synonym for μοιχεία (marital) unfaithfulness, adultery (MT 5.32); (4) metaphorically, as apostasy from God through idolatry (spiritual) immorality, unfaithfulness (RV 19.2)

            If porneia indeed includes homosexuality as nearly every major Greek reference work would require, then here is a sharp response to the claims of Christ’s silence on the matter. If He explicitly prohibited porneia, and if porneia includes homosexuality, then we have a strong statement by Jesus on the issue. Any sexual expression outside of the one flesh marital relationship between one man and one woman is prohibited by the Scriptures in general and Jesus in particular.

            But this is not the real issue.

            Making sure that those who are not educated at home have a baseline understanding of human sexuality is a reasonable response to the issues that arise from its absence. The problem arises when the subject transcends anatomy/biology and moves into the realm of morality. Those who believe in the God of the Bible (and not some god they make up based on their feelings about the Bible) cannot relinquish that responsibility to a secular system. So what it comes down to is what is to be taught and that is where this thread (albeit tactlessly) began.

          • Fly on the wall says:

            The classes I went through ages ago focused on facts, and respect, and promoted a culture respectful of the differences among us. Not unlike Jesus Himself in how he interracted with everyone – well, except for the arrogant Pharisees and moneychangers in the Temple, perhaps. He saved some of his harshest rebukes for those who confused pious arrogance with true faith.

          • Ramon Selove says:

            Please correct me if I’m wrong, but, from what I recall from Sunday School, Jesus didn’t speak Greek. Any Greek account of what Jesus said is already a translation. Does it make any more sense to infer his intent based on Greek translations than English ones?

            Wasn’t his actual language Aramaic? Aramaic is a far less precise language than Greek.

          • Interesting says:

            Actually you hit on the reason the authors of the Gospels used Greek and why it is the language of reference for the New Testament. It is actually an “upward translation” for precision. The Greek language has five tenses to enable narrow definitions and the explanation of abstract concepts, especially spiritual and relational. The people who walked with Jesus or who were direct disciples of the Apostles wrote, through the inspiration of God, the Gospels in the most precise way they could for the clearest communication of meaning particularly in challenging concepts like those of the human heart.

          • Ramon Selove says:

            To me it seems dangerous to rely on language that is more precise than Jesus could possibly have been in his original words. If your way around that problem is to say that the translators were inspired by god then how can you tell which translators in which times were or were not inspired by god? It just doesn’t seem like a very productive way of seeking an authoritative answer.

            Perhaps the bible does not provide an authoritative answer to this question. Maybe instead we need to look to our hearts and find the truth there.

          • Carl M Chapman says:

            You put up a lot of “ifs” in your statement. Perhaps, previous suppositions may also lead to an incorrect reading within the intent of the scripture.

          • Naked Truth says:

            You kill me Sarge. “a lot of liberals (and homosexual supporters )”. Wasn’t that a Republican Senator tapping his foot under a restroom stall at the airport?
            I guess it isn’t a “liberal” thing after all.

          • yousepeople says:

            How did sex education being taught, finally, evolve into homosexual issues, which are nobody’s business. I’m stunned at the dialog

          • Fly on the wall says:

            Did ya ever stop to think that Jesus Himself held to some pretty liberal and radical ideas for the times: He ate with publicans and sinners; forgave the adulterous Mary Magdalene when the law said she should be stoned; reached out to society’s outcasts (lepers, tax collectors, the demon-possessed, etc.); preached love and tolerance and faith in God that is personal as opposed to fretting over a litany of laws; people can look to God directly and not through arrogant Pharisees. Are you saying He didn’t have a moral compass?

            You hold a very simplistic world view: anyone who doesn’t agree with your interpretation is dismissed as “liberal.”

          • Carl M Chapman says:

            In fact, if you look at the Acts, Jesus reveals himself to Paul. Paul’s zeal for the “law” leads him to commit crimes against many people and to kill them. His zeal made him much like the “Osama Bin Laden” of the time. If Jesus can make someone like Paul an instrument for the coming of the Kingdom, then why are we so worried about Homosexuals and there so called agenda.

    • Fly on the wall says:

      No, he doesn’t need to be slapped. You ought not be so reactionary, for your knee-jerk retorts do as little to advance the discussion positively as his narrowminded reasonings do. To fly off the handle as you have, with such forceful imagery, makes you no better than him.

  7. About two hours southwest of here is a city called Richmond. Two governing bodies reside there: The Virginia General Assembly and The Virginia Department of Education. In 1987 and again in 1992, the General Assembly ordered the VDOE to construct Standards of Learning in FLE for all grades K-12. They are numbered in the same manner as Math, English and Science. Since 1992, CCPS has reported to VDOE that there is curricula in place for ALL grade levels and FLE has been taught to all of your children. Funds are recieved for this compliance. What’s the uproar? All CCPS children have been taught the FLE SOL’s now for years! And yes, this includes responsible behavior and human sexuality.OPt out was offered in 2009-didn’t you get your form?

    • Just sayin says:

      Ummm…there have been NO FLE classes taught in CCPS for the past 8 years…certainly not at the elementary or middle school levels.

  8. Alecia Schulz says:

    @Sarge-
    There should be a low tolerance for homosexuality? And why is that? Does it mess up the perfect lifestyle you obviously have going for yourself?
    And if God is so amazing, then he will love them anyway, correct? Isn’t that what you all preach? Because if that’s not true, then people need to stop saying that God loves everyone no matter what.
    Homosexuality is not abnormal or unnatural. It’s perfectly right. We are almost in 2011, people. Stop being such ignorant jerks and accept the fact that PEOPLE ARE SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO OTHERS OF THE SAME SEX. You act like it’s some big news flash and that this is the first time you are hearing about it.
    Get over yourselves. No one ever said that you had to have intercourse with someone of the same sex. But for the wonderful people out there that want to, just give them a break and be supportive in the lifestyle that they have chosen.

    • Sorry Alecia. There’s right and there’s wrong

      I’m right

      You’re wrong

      And from what I’ve always heard, God does indeed love everyone. But there are these things called “sinners”, of which we all are. The difference is that people that are concerned with being in good graces with God strive not to sin and ask to be forgiven when they do. Others don’t.

      That’s the difference between going upstairs and having the floor drop out from under you when you’re done here

      • Alecia Schulz says:

        Who gave you the ultimate power to decide what is right and what is wrong? Last time I checked, no one did.

        • I have a moral compass Alecia.

          Plus divine backing

          Leviticus 18:22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act

          Leviticus 20:13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves

          Romans 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

          • Carl M Chapman says:

            As for Romans 1:
            It makes sense that for a man to have lust for another man is wrong but, it also makes sense that for a man to lust over a woman is wrong too. Jesus talked about one of the two of these a little bit. Can you oh wise one remind me which one Jesus was talking about?

          • Unwelcome Outsider says:

            Leviticus is your moral compass?

            OK, how many slaves do you keep?

            – Leviticus 25:44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

            Your hair and beard must be mighty long by now.

            – Leviticus 19:27 Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

            I hope you’re not planning on getting anything done this Sunday, it might be your last.

            – Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

            Bacon and BBQ aren’t on your menu, are they?

            – Leviticus 11:7-8 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

          • yousepeople says:

            How about a 14 year old girl having sex with a 15 year old boy and getting pregnant. That’s ok, huh.

            At least gays don’t reproduce. that should comfort you some.

            [redacted]

          • Does anyone leave Berryville/Clarke County. WOW…take some trips get to see the world, visit other cities San Francisco, New York City, Washington DC get out of town, look around. It’s called DIVERSITY people..look it up !! I know that most Clarke Redders don’t know the word, so some EDGUMUCATION and here is the simple version::::OPEN YOUR MIND< YOUR HEART< and RW you better start praying to God that your children don't decide that they are gay…how would you handle that???? We don't get to choose, Right or wrong, Good Ole Berryville.

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            –noun, plural -ties.
            1. the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness.
            2. variety; multiformity.
            3. a point of difference

      • What Sarge, were you asleep when they taught FLE SOL 7.15 (grade 7)?

        7.15 The student will increase his or her ability to listen to different points of view and to accept the rights of others to a differing point of view.
        Descriptive Statement: Positive communication skills are developed to enhance relationships and to increase recognition of various points of view existing within families and society.

  9. My oldest daughter took a FLE type of class in middle school during the late 90’s. Her and her friends spent quite a bit of time making fun of the class and resenting the fact that the teacher “talked down” to them. While I believe this would be an excellent program, I also believe as much care should be put into who is teaching as to what is being taught. Maybe a survey to the students at the beginning of each session to find what they feel they need to know? This is definitely a class that would help many if it is taught to them for them rather than at them.

    • Just sayin says:

      The teachers teach the state-approved content, set up with local discretion, and the teachers must be certified to teach it by the state, and the teaching parameters are fairly clear. That is what the article says, and that is what the state mandate is. Again, give the committee time to do its task, and stop the handwringing.

      • yousepeople says:

        Exactly! Good grief, sex is with us all of our lives. A decent education can surely not hurt!

  10. Clarke Graduate says:

    RELIGIOUS, POLITICAL, HOMOSEXUAL… Whatever the reason may be… CLARKE COUNTY’S GIRLS ARE GETTING IMPREGNATED… AND I’M SURE A GOOD PERCENTAGE HAVE OR HAS AN STD. The point being that whatever’s going on right now ISN’T WORKING. I don’t think some sex ed classes will help everybody, but they will help someone… and no rightwinger, they won’t make your son or daughter any more or less gay.

    Maybe instead of being so concerned as to the content of these classes… that will probably be taught in the new high school at the rate things go in this town… you all should be more concerned with PARENTING or MENTORING these children/ young adults. Get off of Clarke Daily News and sit down with your freaking kids. It can’t hurt.

  11. Naked Truth says:

    Hey sarge. I won’t ask and you don’t have to tell!

  12. Ramon Selove says:

    This discussion has included several references to what is natural. Some have suggested that the lack of fertility between homosexual couples is the reason that these relationships are unnatural (or wrong.)

    Is it unnatural or wrong for infertile people to have sexual relationships? Should women cease being sexual after menopause? Should childless marriages remain unrecognized by the state?

    I find the focus on fertility as the sole virtue that legitimizes a sexual relationship to be more than a little troubling. If our teenagers absorb this mentality, will they assume that it is somehow a greater sin to engage in intercourse using a condom than to do so unprotected? Is it possible that this mentality is contributing to the problem?

  13. Bottom line in my opinion…these kids need to be educated on the facts from an unbiased party about all aspects of sex. No one has to preach for or against homosexualty in these teachings, only make these students more aware of the facts. Whether you agree with it or not, homosexuality exists. Kids that grow up in a home where that kind of lifestyle is not supported (or even where it is supported) probably have tons of questions and maybe even wrong ideas about homosexuality and those who are homosexual. Don’t they deserve the chance to ask these questions without fear of a negative response, get an unbiased response based on facts and make their own decisions on how they feel? The same that we all have the right in this topic to express our own opinion these kids have the right to form their own. You don’t have to agree with a lifestyle choice but you can still accept those who make that choice. That needs to be taught too.

    Many people disagree about certain aspects of history, whether historical things really happened and/or if they should have happened but we still teach history class in school. How is this really any different?

  14. livein22611 says:

    Gee-maybe if we don’t talk about sex or homosexuality–it won’t happen??!!
    If you let your kids watch TV or go to a PG movie then they have been exposed to more than what this curriculum will offer. This holds true if they have older siblings too. It’s time parents learn to parent and discuss this stuff with their kids. If it’s all a bit too much for you, then turn off your TV, don’t go to movies, don’t listen to the radio, don’t read books, and just hunker down and find your self a cave. It already hits them in face everywhere they go.
    Oh yea, it’s probably a good idea to discuss drugs and alcohol with them too. Ignoring that one won’t work either.
    It doesn’t really take a village to raise a child, just a good parent.

  15. Jim Gibson says:

    It would seem that, as Jennifer remarked above, the ensuing firestorm on here is precisely what CDN wanted – lots of page views and a multitude of comments (some shallow and even incendiary, some thoughtful).

    Ranting on here won’t advance the discussion much beyond polarizing the community, not unlike the hullabaloo surrounding the Amir Banks/Aaron Shirley tragedy. Let the committee do its job; there will be ample time to offer public comment. The religious angle is best taught at home; the academic content will, if it’s like what is taught in neighboring jurisdictions, focus on age-appropriate facts about sex, human development and reproduction, and the like. It will also, hopefully, contain lessons on healthy relationships, peer respect, abusive relationships and how to get help (for older students), and respect for all.

    Emotions and passions run deep on this issue, and that in and of itself is not a bad thing. However, to allow those emotions to get the better of our judgment and post hateful and hurtful comments only fosters more hate and hurt and mistrust.

    • Ah, now that does sound like Clarke County…let’s not talk about things that make us uncomfortable and let’s pretend there are no dissenting voices.

      The fact is there are topics and decisions to be made that have polar positions that leave little room for conciliatory and ineffective middle ground. When that’s the case where do you hear those conversations? Only in hushed quiet get togethers that have little real impact on the final decisions.

      I say peel the layers back on the land of make believe and let’s hear what everyone has to say, even the people who are afraid to speak for fear of persecution for their opinions even if they don’t fit into the cozy little package everyone wants to pretend exists here. There are many people whose opinions may be deemed offensive to others. If you believe in the Constitution you must embrace their right to speak as much as your own. Pretending they don’t exist in the hopes they will go away is as silly as it is ineffective.

      • trthseeker says:

        I agree, James! Get it out there, talk about it. It’s the only way to find common ground and acceptance. And as I look at the ‘ratings’ on your response, I am floored that there are people that do not agree that getting it out there is not helpful.

    • Considering the person named in the byline of the article also writes about such controversial topics as fruitcake, forgotten landmarks, and civil war finds in a backyard, I challenge your assertion his only goal is to garner page views. I agree completely the headline is not appropriate, and should instead read Family Life Education. However, I would be willing to wager he did not consider the headline incendiary he was simply calling it what it is, or was in the past. Furthermore, even if he had used FLE in the headline, there would have been disagreements about that, too! What is FLE anyway? etc.

      • Jim Gibson says:

        Beth and James,

        My initial comments about the “ranting” on here were in respect to the myriad posts, on both sides of the homosexuality issue, that merely speak to one’s opinion (some with CAPS and some without). I was not intending anything negative about the author of the article, other than a comment (initially voiced earlier) that the choice of words “Sex Ed” in the title (as opposed to “Family Life Education,” aka “FLE”) was one that he knew would get folks talking.

        James, I am in no way saying that we shouldn’t discuss these issues. Rather, I am saying that we all should try to avoid merely venting heated opinions. Heated opinions can often lead to hurtful comments (as this thread has abundantly shown), which does not help the overall discussion of the issues. We can disagree on various points, ideologies, and such, but let’s not be disagreeable and disrespectful about it. That’s all I was trying to say.

        • Jim, I also would have preferred a different headline. However, your comment, “the ensuing firestorm on here is precisely what CDN wanted – lots of page views and a multitude of comments,” as well as Jennifer’s, “The response was exactly what the headline was intended to bring” imply the CDN/author is merely trying to increase traffic which I consider an inaccurate and unfair assumption. It isn’t a big deal, I just know how hard these guys work to bring news and information to this community and while they may make mistakes on occasion, I know they are not trying to be manipulative. I think you would agree as a long time reader as well…

          • Beth,

            This headline alone would not have convinced me. The chalkboard graphic alongside was one more thing, but the last one that got me was about the SB approving more pesticide use at the new HS (something along those lines) when reporting on the meeting where we discussed the recommendations for more termite protection. It also got the response that such a headline would be expected to elicit whereas one that simply said additional termite control was recommended and approved would not have. A pretty bland meeting topic became controversial. The author of these articles is a very intelligent man and a pretty good writer. I have no doubt he knows the power of words. I cannot speak to the intentions behind them but I do not think they are accidental.

          • “where we discussed the recommendations”

            Well Ms. Welliver, the euphemism “Family Life Education” was created by educators to make the idea of sex ed more palatable to the masses. The fact that someone calls it what it has been called since it was first presented may in fact be a sociological issue wherein no one buys into educators attempts at euphemistic evasion of controversy.

          • It ain’t about avoiding controversy. It’s about a name that reflects what the content has grown to contain – more than just “sex ed.” It covers healthy relationships, drug and substance abuse avoidance, as well as human growth, sexuality, and maturation, and presents information in age-appropriate ways.

            Seriously…your snarky swipe at teachers is more telling about yourself than anything else.

  16. CCHS Graduate says:

    I am very pleased with the steps the school board is making. I don’t think Clarke County residents or parents are aware of this “party community” we have in Clarke. Right now, I could name you 5 girls who were pregnant in the past year and 10 kids with STDs off the top of my head- that is troubling in a school of less than 800 kids. And what truly shocks me is the casual nature of sex in our county. I feel like when I heard my fellow classmates talk there was an extreme overlap of who is sleeping with who. Kids are completely uneducated about the dangers of multiple partners and the risks of sexual activities with several people.

    Furthermore, when I moved to Clarke in middle school I was shocked to see there was no FLE program. I grew up in Prince William County and we started with sex ed. in elementary school, which gave the basis of “becoming a woman/man” which is important as well for these developing teens to understand their bodies as well. Then in middle school, I learned your typical sex ed. things such as safe sex, STDs and how they’re spread, and a strong influence of abstinence (although not all teens choose abstinence, it was nice to have it reinforced by someone and gave it more weight against peer pressure). But then I came here and there were these same myth-like perceptions of the students thinking they can’t get pregnant if they do this trick, or if they don’t have intercourse they won’t get an STD- they are sadly mistaken. Even one of the 8th grade girls I tutored asked me what AIDS was because she has never heard of it, while one of her 14 year old friends was pregnant.

    These kids need to LEARN (or at least have the option to learn) and they need to learn FACTS. They can’t continue living in this over- hyped sexual fantasy world where they will not get physically and emotionally hurt from this sex culture. We need to present the truth and dangers of this soon or else CCHS is going to have to add a nursery into that new high school.

    • I agree with CCHS graduate and that we live in a “over-hyped sexual fantasy world” and I am glad to know he/she had a strong influence of abstinence taught in Prince William County. I would hope that our “curriculum” would have the same.
      American children are bombarded from all angles with sex with the majority coming from media. See http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/emailalerts/2010/1215.htm
      Realistically, the teaching can come from the school, but if there are not more protective measures taken in our homes, I believe the trends we are seeing will continue.
      Honestly, I had “sex-ed” in high school and this did not stop me from having unprotected sex. As a teenager, there is always this thought of “it won’t happen to me”.
      Ultimately, we cannot keep every girl from getting pregnant, but teaching kids self control in all aspects of life and doing our parental job of doing our best to keep our children safe are great places to start.

  17. It’s about time we catch up with the times. This has nothing to do with replacing what parents do at home but to “reinforce” what parents are doing at home. As any parent of a teenager will tell you, kids of that age think their parents are just nagging at every turn so they may not put any more value on this discussion than the discussion earlier in the day of cleaning up their room. It is helpful to hear the same thing in different ways so enough reinforcement will help them make the right decisions. For those who think it’s not necessary or that it’s not happening in Clarke County…how do we explain 10 pregnant girls at the high school last year? This has nothing to do with a “good” or “bad” upbringing. Even a good kid can make a bad decision and it is our responsibility as parents and adults to educate, inform, prepare our kids for this part of life.

    • I couldn’t agree with your more! While we teach age appropriate sex ed at home to our children, as children get older, they don’t necessarily listen to Mom & Dad. Children encounter many influential people during the course of their childhood, and you never really know who that person is going to be; the one that changes their life or makes the light bulb go off. I do feel that parents hold the greatest responsibility in teaching our children abstinence, but for many parents, this topic is so uncomfortable that they don’t talk about it at all. For many, it hits too close to home because they were the pregnant teen. But other measures can be taken, like monitoring the “sexualizing” of our children at home, by minimizing their exposure to TV, music, and the like, that does nothing but glamorize teen sex and pregnancy.

      I am happy to have the schools help me teach my children how to make the choices that are best for them (and consequences of said choices), to help us teach abstinence, and to empower them to be in control of their own lives. As the old saying goes, “It takes a village to raise our children”, and I’m happy to have the village. I’m a parent who is engaged enough to be the counter part of any thoughts/ideas that are offered at school, that do not sync up with the morals we teach our children, and I’m happy to see a school system that cares enough about our children, to even entertain the idea.

  18. virginiacop says:

    It is ridiculous that the school board and superintendent decry their budget woes while at the same time advancing unnecessary programs. If children in Clarke County have survived so long without FLE then I think one can reasonably argue it is not needed now. Children will learn all they need to from the school system in a robust and well-funded science program that includes a year of mandatory biology. The school board should throw this program in the trash where it belongs. The children of responsible parents should not suffer this waste of time and money because some parents are too lazy and scared to do the right thing. While I hope this never gets started, if it does the choice to opt out should be accompanied by a refund of my tax dollars used in the program. Or better yet, make the program voluntary and assess a fee, see how many sign up then.

    • Just sayin says:

      It is just taht sort of narrowminded spite that overlooks what the FLE curriculum actually covers. Students already take “a year of mandatory biology” – it’s called Life Science and is taught in 7th Grade; if they so choose, it’s taught again as a class at CCHS.

      It IS a necessary program, because of all that it covers. IF haven’t checked out the state curriculum guidelines, follow this link:

      http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/family_life/familylife_guidelines_standards.pdf

      I would dare say that some of the recent “new moms” come from “responsible parents,” so it would seem that your rant is just that…a baseless rant.

    • Fact Checker says:

      Yes, Virginia there is a mantra clause. If you do not want your child to participate, fine, opt out. However, the concept of a la carte taxation has been proferred since the days of the Vietnam War and, so far, it has not had any traction. The real costs of social services, prenatal and medical services for underage pregnancies far outweigh the cost of FLE. Think of it as an investment.

    • You are right…you access a fee, it’s not going to be attended. And that’s part the problem…people think it’s an unneccassary course when it could be far benefical to lots of kids. Tell me virginiacop, what do you think is the harm? And if you simply believe its due to taxpayers money and taking into consideration that parents can opt the kid out…would you support it if it cost the citizens of Clarke County nothing?

  19. carefreelassie says:

    You people need to get a grip! Teachers don’t have enough time to teach an SOL course in school and delve into so many related topics. They will teach what is required by the state and that’s probably it. I’m sure they will select very qualified, well respected teachers for these classes. Parents can always sit in a class or two to hear and see what is being taught. Yes, that will make the students feel a bit weird, but if that is your concern, you have every right to do it. There are so many related topics to FLE-but maybe that’s where the parents have to setp in and discuss it all-behavior, homosexuality, ethics, futures,religion. Believe me, Clarke County schools do not have the time to go in to all that!

    • Just sayin says:

      Your post is all over the place. If there’s a dedicated curriculum, taught by a dedicated teacher (meaning…that subject is what the teacher teaches), then this course – at any grade level – will be able to cover the material that needs tobe covered in an age-appropriate manner. Also, since there is no SOL test for this class (heheh…imagine THOSE test questions, in M/C format!), the teacher could thus be as thorough as necessary.

      It’s not a matter of time as much as it is a matter of teaching and covering what is appropriate at each level. Honestly…let the committee do it’s job.

  20. Alecia Schulz says:

    @Sarge. Don’t go waving your bible verses in front of my face. They are just words on a page and guess what. They really don’t mean anything. What happened to the whole ‘love everyone’ aspect that most churches try so hard to teach.
    Please go do something productive and stay out of arguments that you obviously don’t know anything about.

    • Not to defend Sarge, but why do you swear-in with your hand on the Bible if it is just words on pages?

      • ritual.
        not everyone believes in the bible (shock i know), so swearing in – for a good portion of the population – is more about the honor of one’s word than the book under their palm..

      • Travis Goodwin says:

        It is optional to use the Bible (or Torah, or Quran, or whatever your faith holds up as its sacred book) when swearing in, such as an inaugurration or in court. It really is up to the individual as a matter of personal choice.