Tea Party Marks Constitution Day

by Jay Marts

Monday September 17 is Constitution Day. This marks the observance of the adoption of our founding document.  Two Hundred and Twenty Five years since 39 men signed this first draft at the Convention in 1787.  I would be nine months later on June 21, 1788 it was put into effect after the 9th State, New Hampshire ratified it.  It has served us well as it is the oldest and shortest written Constitution of any major government in the world. 

There was celebration:

John Adams referred to the Constitution as “the greatest single effort of national deliberation that the world has ever seen” and George Washington wrote to the Marquis de Lafayette that “It (the Constitution) appears to me, then, little short of a miracle.”

There was dissent:

“My political curiosity, exclusive of my anxious solicitude for the public welfare, leads me to ask who authorized them (the framers of the Constitution) to speak the language of ‘We, the People,’ instead of ‘We, the States’?”
— Patrick Henry, 1788

There was speculation:

“The Constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the Judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please.”
— Thomas Jefferson

There was prophecy:

“I am exceedingly distressed at the proceedings of the Convention—being … almost sure, they will … lay the foundation of a Civil War.”
— Elbridge Gerry (Massachusetts Delegate), 1787

Please join your fellow citizens and the Northern Shenandoah Valley TEA party for a “Conversation on the Constitution” @ The House of Light & Cafe,  13 E. Main Street, Berryville  22611.  We will gather @ 6:30p, meeting begins at 7:00p.  Our featured speaker will be Delegate Randy Minchew and special guest Delegate L. Scott Lingamfelter.

Jay L. Marts is the chairman of the Northern Virginia Tea Party.



  1. May God make our leaders and our People Repent and Turn back to JESUS.. And return this great Nation to a Christian Values !!!

    • Just wondering... says:

      God doesn’t “make” people repent. They must choose to do so.

    • Funny all the negative votes. And democrats wonder why people consider them Godless

      • ElinorDashwood says:

        Sarge, Just wondering…is correct. We have free will and God made us that way for a reason. Why do you think that the people that made the negative votes are democrats? All republicans are not God-fearing, Christians and all democrats are not Godless, heathens.

        • Another View says:

          True enough. But why do Christian Democrats affiliate with a party that clearly is anti-Christian, anti-Semitic and anti-God? I would be curious as to the reasoning.

          • Maybe because they have freedom of religion. Do they have to choose your religion?

          • Another View says:

            Elinor mentioned Christians as Democrats. Well Christians do not boo God. Christians embrace Israel and the Jewish people. Christians do not murder babies. Christians do not pretend that government coercion and largesse is charity.

            All of which is why I asked why any “Christian” would associate with the Democrat Party, which is clearly antithetical to Christian values. And still no answer.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            As I said above… ” All republicans are not God-fearing, Christians and all democrats are not Godless, heathens.” -So it stands to reason that some democrats are Christians and some republicans are heathens. That is my answer to you.
            I am an Episcopalian, born, baptized and raised and proud to be so. If you have a problem with that then it is exactly that, your problem.

          • Another View says:

            I am Episcopalian (Anglo-Catholic), and I have no problem with anyone’s religion. And I never questioned your faith.

            What concerns me is why any Christian would associate with a political party so dedicated to Satan’s work. It is not hyperbole or exaggeration to state that the Democrat Party is anti-Christian and anti-Semitic. It is the party that rejects the basic tenets of Christianity at every turn, while claiming that mantle to further their secular goals. The Democrat Party misuses, misquotes and misinterprets the Bible so as to work actively against God’s teachings.

            So, with that in mind, why would a dedicated Christian align herself with a political party hostile to Christianity? I do not understand.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            Just as you believe, “The Democrat Party misuses, misquotes and misinterprets the Bible so as to work actively against God’s teachings.” I believe that it is the Republican party that misuses, misquotes and misinterprets the Bible so as to work actively against Jesus’s teachings.

            In the Bible the three theological virtues are:
            Faith – belief in God, and in the truth of His revelation as well as obedience to Him.
            Hope – expectation of and desire of receiving; refraining from despair and capability of not giving up.
            Charity – selfless, unconditional, and voluntary loving-kindness such as helping one’s neighbours.
            They occur in the Bible at 1 Corinthians 13:13:
            It was how I was raised and a person can only perceive or judge through their own perspective and values.
            I do appreciate that you were civil with your comments and your questions.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            I’m a Christian and a Democrat and the reasoning is that your claims are simply not true.


            If you can give some proof as to why you think our president is anti-christian/semitic/God that isn’t from Beck, Hannitty, Coulter or Limbaugh, I would be glad to take a look at it.

          • Another View says:

            The Democrat Party booed God at their convention. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Democrat Party removed language concerning Jerusalem as Israel’s capital from their platform, and then booed reinstating it. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Democrat Party is the party of abortion, on demand. In other words, the Democrat Party believes in infanticide. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Barack Hussein Obama administration is trying to force the Catholic Church to provide contraception and abortion services in violation of its teachings and faith. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Barack Hussein Obama administration accepted language at a Middle Eastern Conference on Terrorism that deemed Arab attacks on Israel as not constituting terrorism. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Barack Hussein Obama administration has embraced the Muslim Brotherhood, a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews. Indeed, Huma Abedin, whose family is deep into the Muslim Brotherhood is Hillary Hussein’s top aide. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Barack Hussein Obama administration called Israeli settlements illegitimate. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Barack Hussein Obama administration refuses to act to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            Barack Hussein Obama has visited Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey, but not Israel. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Democrat Party opposes prayer in schools. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Democrat Party endorses homosexuality and the redefinition of marriage. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            The Democrat Party practices the politics of greed and envy. Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.

            Take a good look. Then please explain how any Christian could be affiliated with the Democrat Party.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            OK. I’m afraid you misunderstood my request. I was hoping for some substantial evidence that supported your defamatory statements, not just ” Fact, not from “Beck Hannitty, [sic] Coulter or Limbaugh.” Since you are the one making the accusations the burden of proof lies on you.

          • Another View says:

            I gave you facts. F A C T S. And none of them were from the sources you disdained.

            I have carried my burden. Everything I wrote is a fact, and you have no answer. N O N E.

            The ball is in your court. Deny that the Democrat convention delegates booed God. Deny that the Democrat Party is pro abortion. Deny even one of those facts. You can’t.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            I cannot deny that there were ‘individuals’ that booed at the DNC. It’s called freedom of speech and it is a 1st amendment right. Individuals at the Values Voter Summit yesterday also exercised that right during Paul Ryan’s speech.
            I can however, deny that the Democratic party is pro abortion, you will see that nowhere but in the far right rhetoric. The Democratic party is pro choice. I know no one that is pro abortion. Saying something is a fact over and over does not make it so and you have not presented any substantial evidence of a vital fact to support your accusations against our President.
            This is not a game to me, AV so I don’t know what you mean by the ball is in my court.

            When night comes, may I look back on this day without regrets;
            and may nobody be unhappy because of anything
            I have said or done or failed to do.
            Have a beautiful Sunday.

          • Another View says:


            The Democrat convention delegates–a majority–booed God. And free speech or not, no Christian would want to be associated with booing God.

            Moreover, the Democrat Party platform removed the “rare” language when it comes to abortion. The Democrat Party supports abortion on demand, including partial birth abortion.

            Abortion is murder. It is the taking of innocent life. Are you claiming to be pro choice, as in it is okay for a woman to choose to murder her unborn baby? How is that a Christian value?

            The Democrat Party supports abortion. It is a fact; a truism, if you will. Indeed, you appear to be pro abortion if you are pro choice, because that means you believe that abortion is a perfectly acceptable choice.

          • You’ve offered nothing to substantiate any of your claims, beyond merely parroting the same tired line over and over again.

            As or prayer in schools, that is a matter of SCOTUS-settled constitutional law. When the 1st Amendment expressly forbids government-sponsored religion, then the government cannot force a prayer, any prayer, from officially being a part of the instructional day nor can it be led by government employees (though they may be as devout Christians as you are). This does not prevent Christian students or staff from silently praying during the moment of silence (something required in every Virginia public school), but the schools may not force all public-school students (regardless of their religious affiliation) to sit through an organized prayer (be it Christian, Coptic, non-denominational, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, etc.).

          • Let’s look at some of your claims above:

            “The Democrat Party booed God”: They didn’t boo Him; delegates booed the amendment to re-insert the words “God-given” into one statement in the platform, even though elsewhere in the document it expresses support for the role of one’s faith in their lives. God Himself was not booed.

            “The Democrat Party is the party of abortion”: Ummm, no. As Ms. Dashwood clearly states, the party is pro-choice, leaving such a decision firmly in the hands of the woman and her doctor.

            “The Barack Hussein Obama administration refuses to act to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.” Incorrect – through stiff sanctions and other efforts, much has indeed been done to attempt to get Iran to comply with international law on this matter. However, clearly you seem OK if the US were invade yet another sovereign nation and militarily wipe out those stockpiles and abilities. Many intel studies clearly indicate that such a plan would be massively stupid for a host of reasons – the facilities are too well guarded (and/or underground) and thus hard to get at, such actions would further enflame tense situations in that region, etc.

            “The Barack Hussein Obama administration has called the Israeli settlements illegitimate.” Yes, and so have the governments of Great Britain, Germany, and other countries, and the UN leaders. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15556801 All parties have talked about a 2-state solution, but these settlements fly in the face of that push, and with the established parameters of a Palestinian territorial setup.

          • No Drama Obama is cool. He would be more diplomatic in geopolitics than Mitt Romney.

      • If Jesus walked the Earth today, would you try to shame him for feeding the 5000? Would you call him a Socialist or Marxist for taking two fish and feeding the hungry? Would you call him a Socialist for healing the sick, for washing the feet of a prostitute? I think you ought to read the good book. Maybe you would have less hatred for you fellow man. God gave free will. Why should you be the judge. Judge not lest ye be judged.

        • Another View says:

          NO, because Jesus would not demand that government feed the 5000. Jesus was not a socialist because he did not believe in using government for his ends.

          Read the Bible. Learn the Bible. Quit misusing the Bible.

          • So we , and the government, should not be Christ-like? So Jesus did not live his life as an example? Jesus had compassion and love for believers and nonbelievers. You should too, unless you are above God. Pick and choose what words you want to follow. I know the Bible quit well. And our government is set up to protect all religions, even those of Muslim faith. So stop hating those who do not subscribe to your beliefs. I find it funny how the Repubs want to government to protect a fetus, but not protect the elderly. Jesus loved ALL his children.

          • Another View says:

            I do not hate anyone, and have not indicated that I do. You are just throwing around wild charges, you have no evidence and no argument.

            We should strive to be “Christ-like”. Government cannot, and to believe that it can is to misunderstand both the Bible and the fundamental nature of government.
            I have lots of compassion for all. But compassion does not mean aligning one’s self with Satan and his followers.

            And where you get this ant-elderly thing, who knows? You make the charge, you do not explain.

          • It’s interesting that many on the far-right of the GOP loudly decry “Sharia law” anywhere they sniff it, but have no qualms at all of thurning our government into a theocracy built on their interpretations of Judeo-Christian customs – even though just such a thing was expressly forbidden by the founding documents they love to wave about as penants at a football game.

            Yes, arguably, our country was founded on the tenets of religious freedom (as well as to find gold and riches, a faster route to the Orient, new markets for Old World goods in exchange for the abundance of natural resources found here, etc.). Our founding fathers were Godly men, some decidedly moreso than others, and man y spoke of their firm belief in God, and Providence, and the like. Many of the oldest customs we enjoy have roots in the Judeo-Christian tradition, as do the underpinnings of our laws and moral code.

            That said, there is NO official religion in this country, just as there is NO official language in this country. Our society is far more diverse than it was 225+ years ago. The document whose signing we celebrate tomorrow, as amended, reflects the growth we’ve undergone as a country; you, and those like you, seem to have an intolerable aversion to accepting the fact that we are NOT a theocracy, and were never intended to BE a theocracy.

            If we are a “Christian” nation, and I believe that – ostensibly – the majority of our citizens are indeed Christian, like me, then it is natural to want our government to look and act like we think a Christian government ought to look and act. This means doing unto the least of us as we (collectively) are able, extending a helping hand, and so forth.

            I don’t believe that the government should be used for some Pharisitical purpose to beat its chest and loudly and crassly holler “Look at me! I’m a Christian!” as narrowly defined by fundamentalists, or evangelicals, or Catholics, or whatever. Jesus had some of her sternest warnings, admonishments, and outright scolding for those who become engrossed in the arrogance of their self-proclaimed and garishly displayed piety.

          • I <3 Sam Card.

          • Government does not have responsibility to the poor and the elderly…people have a responsibility. If you steal from one to give another you have not done good. Government, as the democrats like to pretend, is doing no good by stealing from one citizen and giving to another because at the core is theft or coercion with the threat of force, if one does not comply and give over there labor or earnings. Our government was never empowered with that ability nor should it be.

            Did Jesus steal from people to give to the poor? No…he instructed people to work and for compassion upon those who are unable. Notice the word is “unable” not lazy, there is a big difference.

            People are compelled based upon their values and conscience to act, not government.

      • Got-A-Dollar says:

        Do people consider democrats Godless? O Godly one. I thought GOP stood for God’s Other Party.

  2. Another View says:

    Well the Democrats did boo God at their convention. A shameless disgraceful performance that even managed to embarrass their leadership. And that is a difficult thing to do.

    • Got-A-Dollar says:

      Every speaker at the DNC said “God bless America” and “God Bless Our Troops” Something I didn’t hear from the RNC!

  3. Roscoe Evans says:

    What’s truly “funny” is how arrogant people all over this world think that God is on their side alone.

    Our “Christian,” “constitutional,” and “TP” Taliban are not much more open minded some days than the foreign heathen.

    And, its amazing how we can be so proud of our Judeo-Christian heritage, and conveniently leave out the “Judeo” element, as soon as the red, white and blue come out.

  4. From Meet the Press this morning: Netanyahu has gained a bit of respect from me. Interesting for those who say we have abandoned Israel.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is declining to endorse Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s charge that President Barack Obama has “thrown allies like Israel under the bus” during his first term in office.

    In an interview aired Sunday on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Netanyahu initially demurred on Romney’s comments, but then appeared to distance himself from the GOP candidate’s inflammatory charge.

    “You’re trying to get me into the American election and I’m not going to do that,” the Israeli prime minister said.

    Pressed by host David Gregory, Netanyahu seemed to suggest that the “under-the-bus” charge is not one he would endorse.

    “There you go again, David. You’re trying to draw me into something that is simply not the case, and it’s not my position,” Netanyahu said. “There’s no bus, and we’re not going to get into that discussion

  5. While some delegates booed when the word “God” was added to the democratic platform, they were booing, in my opinion, because they felt that the democratic party had bowed to Teahadist criticism. Perhaps they were booing because they don’t believe in that particular God some here seem to have a personal relationship with. I personally believe “Faith” was a good word to have in the platform. To imply that God was “booed” is typical misstating.I am sure God understands.

    In fact, relating to abortion, I am sure there are pro choice republicans and independants, and there certainly is a group of Pro-life democrats. It really is wrong wrong wrong to pigeonhole everyone. Ignorance in its highest form.


    Ohhhhh look! There are conservatives that support gay marriage


    I think people can espouse democrats or republicans or a mix of both. At the end of the day, we are all Americans.

    I don’t know why some people cast such broad stereotypes. The only follower of Satan I know in US politics is Christine O’Donnell?

  6. I have a personal relationship with reality.

  7. President James Earl Carter was a devoted Christian, a democrat, a governor of Georgia and US President. Carter managed his father’s peanut farm and also served as a US Navy Officer. He teaches sunday school at his southern Baptist Church in Plains, Georgia. Jimmy Carter’s mother was a Peace Corps nurse in India. When I was in Florida, a guy reflected to me about when he had to deliver some supplies to the peanut farm before Thanksgiving in the early 1970’s. The truck broke down, so he was invited to spend Thanksgiving with Governor Carter and his family in Plains, Georgia. Jimmy Carter arranged through local contacts to get the truck repaired. Later before Christmas, the guy told me that he received a huge genrous check in the mail from Governor Carter telling him to have a very merry Christmas with his family. Governor Carter wrote that he was sorry that the man had missed Thanksgiving with his family, but wanted him to have money to provide his wife and children a special memorable Christmas. The guy told me that Carter had true Christian spirit and empathy for the working poor.

    • You’ve got to be kidding with the Carter stuff…anyone with half a brain and even a small grip of reality knows Carter is in the top 5 worst presidents in our history…come on now.

      • ElinorDashwood says:

        Why the attack on Sam? He simply shared a story that shows that by his actions, Jimmy Carter is a decent, generous man and a Christian that walks the walk and doesn’t just talk the talk. There was absolutely nothing in Sam’s comment about Carter as president.

        • Thank you Elinor. Jimmy Carter did a lot of volunteer work for Habitat For Humanity. He received the Nobel Peace Prize and wrote several books. His fiction book, “The Hornet’s Nest” is a novel of the American South and the American Revolutionary War.

  8. Hello.. We all know Jesus was a regular mortal guy from Kansas and God lives on a plannet next to ours.. Read the Morman version of the Bible please!

  9. Well, I was going to come to the meeting tonight until I heard there might be “folks wearing tee shirts and flip flops in public with tattoos, out of wedlock parents, rap music, and children hanging out on the streets. Heck, I might see litter and marijuana smoking.”

    That sure scared me away, so I decided to groom my nose hairs instead.

    Y’all have fun and be sure to say the President’s middle name 3 times while knocking your shoes together.

  10. Booing God? Do you feel like rioting and killing innocents because you believe someone offended your god? Religion insanity makes good people do bad things. If someone wants religion controlling their daily life there are plenty of countries you can move to, Iran for example.

    • Another View says:

      Or America. Which was founded, largely, by folks seeking religious freedom. Which might explain our First Amendment, which guarantees the free exercise of religion. Or the sentiments of George Washington and John Adams, who opined that only God fearing and obeying men should occupy government office.

      Booing God is not just a sin. It is suicide. It is the Democrat Party.

      • Just wondering... says:

        Those were just that, AV…their opinions. The Constitution explicitly sets up a not-a-theocracy republic, for while it guarantees the free exercise of religion, it also explicitly prohibits government-sponsored religion. It also explicitly calls for there to be NO religious test for those who might want to run for office.

        • Another View says:

          All you say is true. But those are restrictions on government, not the people. People should hold politicians accountable for their beliefs. And like Washington and Adams, I submit that non-believers, atheists or agnostics, are not suited for public office in this country. Indeed, I will go further, and state that personally, I would not vote for a man who was neither Christian nor Jew. I believe that religious observance and practice are important indicia of character, and I further submit that the majority of Americans agree with that sentiment.

          And before you ask, I am voting for Mitt Romney

          • You are going to vote for Willard, well good for you. As long as someone “calls” him or herself “religious” that person earns your vote. No matter how competent they are. I guess the new baby panda could win your vote by just saying it’s Christian?

            So, if Willard should lose this election, will you then call him stupid because he couldn’t beat Barack Hussein Obama, like you called John McCain? Rather fickle you are.

          • Another View says:

            Yes, if Mitt Romney cannot beat the worst President in our country’s history, I will deem him a failure. The truth is, Barack Hussein Obama is a failed, miserably incompetent, and ill intentioned President. He was not qualified to be elected and he is unqualified to serve. He must be removed.

          • actually George W. Bush was a far worse president. He took us from a surplus to a deficit with a war based on lies and wall street bail outs, and remember those rebate checks in the mail. That is what you are proposing going back to. If you want a constitutional president you need to vote what you are which is Libertarian. If the gop really wanted small, smart government they would have chosen Ron Paul. But that is not what they want. They want to be in your business as much as the dems do just in a different way. Actually, based on your postings, you don’t want the government out of our business either. You just want it in mine and not yours.

          • Another View says:

            No. I want the government to leave me and every one else alone. My postings reflect that; if you don’t get it, you have not read them.

            George W. Bush was a terrible domestic policy president. BUT IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS, he was quite successful. The wars were not built on lies, and your charge is nothing but a regurgitation of Democrat talking points; Democrats who saw the same intelligence and who voted for the wars, until their political ambitions exceeded their patriotism.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            Ok, I was just going to relax today but AV, you have again given me a reason to interject.

            “I submit that non-believers, atheists or agnostics, are not suited for public office in this country. Indeed, I will go further, and state that personally, I would not vote for a man who was neither Christian nor Jew.” – AV

            I believe in freedom of religion for everyone so this is for you AV, who will not vote for anyone who is not a Christian or a Jew.
            The Mormon founder, Joseph Smith wrote about a planet Kolob, which he said is closest to the throne of God, that he found tablets that he based the religion on in 1823 in a cave called cumorah in NY that no one has ever proven the existence of, that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers, as well as other interesting thoughts in the book of Mormon. Read it… and the Pearl of Great price too, they’re a fascinating bit of fiction.

          • Another View says:

            Joseph Smith is not on the ballot. Mitt Romney, a Mormon, and Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, are on the ballot. Hmmmm. Who should I choose?

            I choose Mitt Romney. He is a man of high character, and a demonstrated belief in God.

            Barack Hussein Obama, on the other hand is a failed President, of low character, who misuses the Bible for his own political gain, and the public treasury for his own political power. He is a disgrace.

          • Keep holding on to the Muslim label. Makes you sound racist.

          • Another View says:

            Muslim is not a race. Did you not know that?

            There are three (3) races–Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucasoid. No Muslim there.

            Islam, and its practitioners–Muslims–is a religion. It is practiced by folks all over the world, of all races.

            It is no more racist to call someone a Muslim than it is to call them Jewish. Or Christian. Or Hindu.

          • But you base your opion on his color and his name, even though he has stated many times that he is not. What does that make you?

          • If it walks like a duck, and qwacks like a duck, it must be a ……………………


          • Another View says:

            I Have Never Mentioned His Race. YOU ARE WRONG.

          • I guess AV wants us to believe he is color blind, because he didn’t mention his race! How laughable.

          • “I submit that non-believers, atheists or agnostics, are not suited for public office in this country”
            but if they believe that they get their own planet when they die than that’s all good….OOOO-K

          • Another View says:

            Read the Bible. If you do, you will understand what occurs to those who believe in God and his son, Jesus Christ.

            It is easy to make fun of what you do not understand or are afraid of; it is harder to actually tackle the subject. But I submit if you try, you might like what you discover.

            And I would also note, that if you made such a flip comment about Muslim, a US embassy might burn. Or at the very least, you would be beheaded. But I digress . . . .

  11. lovethisplace says:

    “My job is not to worry about those people,” Romney said. “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” Thus says the Republican candidate. Now what I take issue with is that I am hurting, pay taxes, am not a taker so to speak, yet this guy has decided I’m not worth his time.

    Why am I not worth his time? I take care of my own.

    • Don’t think he’s talking about you. I think he was referring to people like this


      or this


      Professional welfare leeches

      • http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-stands-comments-video-says-were-not-elegantly-032830339–election.html

        Nope…pretty clear he’s speaking dismissively about 47% of America. Talk about an elitist, snobbish, out-of-touch comment.

        Of that 47%, how many are disabled and/or institutionalized? How many are truly poor, or homeless, or whatever? How many are seniors on drastically fixed incomes?

        No…for all his good works through his sect, this illustrates Romney’s true feelings on the matter: it’s “not his job” to worry about “those people.”

        • Please. This always gets me about democrats, relying on the “Those mean republicans are going to throw your granny in the street and make her eat dog food” angle.

          Bullskittles. No one is going to cut off benefits to the truely disabled. But even the truely disabled can work if they make the right choices in life. A good friend of mine, born with cerebal palsy, works for the government, even though he is confined to a wheelchair. He did not get his job because he is disabled, he got his job because he got off his duff (Well, not literally) and went to school and got his degree. He didn’t sit around (no pun intended) waiting for someone from the government to give him a mercy job or benefits. He pulls his weight at his job.

          People can better themselves, IF THEY WANT TO. The problem is that it has become comfortable for people to live on the government. They have become lazy in that aspect and do not try to better themeselves. And God knows, there are enough programs out there from the government to help people do just that.

          It’s just that it requires WORK on your part, something which some people aren’t willing to do.

          That is THEIR fault, not the taxpayers. And there is no reason to subsidize people that are lazy.

          Welfare and every other governmetn cheese program needs an overhaul and re-evaluation. Put able bodied people to work, picking up trash along the side of the road if necessary. Make them EARN their government bennies, and when they get tired of working for beans, maybe they’ll have the gumption to go to school at night and better themselves, or work well enough to move up the ladder

          ITs’ time to quit subsidizing LAZY.

          As to Romneys comments, read the whole thing, not just what the medai posted. Unlike Obama, who uses government dollars to advertise for people to get on Food Stamps, Romney wants to get people off the government cheese. He just thinks the best way to do that is to get government out of the way of small business so people can get back to work and and get to a point where people reach the threshold where thaey start paying taxes.

      • man sarge, don’t you think it’s about time you retire those videos? how many times are you going to post the same worn out crap in attempt to prove that there is a huge percentage of the population that isn’t in fact struggling, but instead profiting and living the high life off of welfare. that is completely laughable in and of itself.. poverty is generational. poverty isn’t something people can magically pluck themselves out of. social sciences must not have been taught in your day.

      • ElinorDashwood says:

        Sarge, the identities of some of those welfare leeches might surprise you..


        • Wow, desparate much? An interview from 1967? You and the media are really starting to wrry, huh? Oh, and BTW, maybe that’s the type people we should no longer be subsidizing

          Have some Food Stamp statistics while we’re at it

          Total annual cost of food stamp program $71,800,000,000
          Number of Americans using the food stamp program 46,670,373
          Percent of population on food stamp program 14 %

          2011 44,709,000 $133.85

          2000 17,194,000 $76.62

          1 Mississippi 20.8 %
          2 Tennessee 19.9 %
          2 Oregon 19.9 %
          4 New Mexico 19.8 %
          5 Michigan 19.5 %
          6 Louisiana 19.3 %
          7 Alabama 19.1 %
          8 Kentucky 18.8 %
          9 West Virginia 18.5 %
          9 Maine 18.5 %
          11 Georgia 18.1 %
          12 South Carolina 18 %
          13 Arkansas 16.5 %
          14 Arizona 16.4 %
          15 Florida 16.1 %
          15 Oklahoma 16.1 %
          17 Missouri 15.6 %
          18 Texas 15.4 %
          19 Washington 15.5 %
          20 New York 15.4 %
          21 Rhode Island 15.2 %

          • No, but clearly you are. Desperate that your bigoted views are being ignored, and that your candidate keeps stepping in it and looking more and more decidedly un-presidential.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            No one is arguing those particular stats but you, Sarge. The disagreement is what to do about it.

            I want to talk about the video you so easily dismiss.
            In the video George Romney, Mitt’s father, plainly says that when he was five years old and his family moved to the US from Mexico, they were poor and received government assistance. If Mitt’s grandparents had not gotten help from the American government to feed and take care of their very large family when George was a small child, do you think that George would still have had the opportunities to become the successful businessman that he did and subsequently, Mitt also?

          • Who gives a turkey? They TOOK ADVANTAGE of a system that was in place at the time. Just like people take advantage of the tax code today. If everyone is so pissed off about Romney’s percentage of taxes paid, then why didn’t OBAMA change the tax code during his adminstration? Oh, that’s right, he;s rich too. And so are all of his Wall Street buds that contribute to him.

            Also in 1967, despite LBJ’s “Great Society” and “War on Poverty”, (both of which led us to where we are today), the country is in much better financial shape than it is today.

            Fact is, we can no longer afford to care for people that won’t lift a finger to help themselves. And yes, there are always going to be people that need help, and I have no problem with that, but illegals? Hell no. People that don’t even want to try to work? Hell no.

          • I agree with you that there are those who abuse the system, who willingly choose to suck from the public teet instead of lift a finger. However, the issue above is not that…rather, it’s the fact that Romney tritely dismissed, not “elegantly” or whatever, 47% of teh country because the same folks on the GOP right (including you) push a “47%” stat that is highly misleading and is used to mean more than it does. In essence, you anda ll those that push that stat in such a way are lying, and thus lose any sort of credibility or integrity about it. THAT is the point…Mitt stupidly put his foot in his mouth after he showed his true sentiment about “those people.”

    • ElinorDashwood says:

      Romney says citizens who don’t pay income tax will never vote for him. Eight of the top ten states with the highest number of nonpayers are red states, states that predominantly vote for the Republican Party. Oops.

      • Another View says:

        Until it is abolished, all Americans should pay income tax. No American should receive refundable income tax credits (welfare). And no American should ever be able to live off of government checks. It is immoral; it is theft. It is disgusting.

      • He’s talking about people in liberal war zones like Chicago, Washington DC, Philidelphia and such. And of course they’ll never vote for Romney. What cut off your own gravy train of benefits?

      • Do you really think you’re just gonna throw out something that blatantly false and not be called on it?

        61.2% of people on welfare are NOT white……http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

        64.3% of people on food stamps are NOT white…..http://www.trivisonno.com/food-stamps-charts

        As for red states being the ones most on the system…..yeah, you made that up too. The top 15 are as follows……http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310/The_…Welfare_States

        01. California (Blue State)
        02. Maine (Blue State)
        03. Tennessee (Red State)
        04. Massachusetts (Blue State)
        05. Vermont (Blue State)
        06. Washington, D.C. (Blue State)
        07. New York (Blue State)
        08. Minnesota (Blue State)
        09. Washington (Blue State)
        10. New Mexico (Blue State)
        11. Indiana (Red State)
        12. Rhode Island (Blue State)
        13. Michigan (Blue State)
        14. Pennsylvania (Blue State)
        15. Oregon (Blue State)

        So if only two of the top 15 welfare states are red states, how did you draw the conclusion that MOST people in the system are in red states? Not only are you wrong, you couldn’t be more wrong.

        What would be more truthful is to say if you’re in a blue state or a pro-union state, you are way more likely to be on government assistance, because that’s a fact.

    • Another View says:

      He’s not talking about you. At least not according to your description.

      Romney’s right. We have become a nation of takers. It has to stop. We can either reform the system and stop the matter voluntarily, or we can wait for a financial collapse that will devastate our country beyond anyone’s imagination.

  12. On NBC News, I heard Mitt Romney’s recorded words expressing his arrogant condescending attitude toward the lower income 47 percent of the American population. Little does he recognize the labor that has to be done, so the profits can be made. Think of the importance of the dishwasher at a busy restaurant. There are people with low earning capacity who contribute to society in their work. I wonder if he cares about homeless veterans. “No Millionaire Left Behind”, if Willard Mitt Romney defeats President Barack Obama. I do praise Mitt Romney for his good work and leadership at the Salt Lake Winter Olympics. Mitt Romney’s ambition and success is an inspiration and he has been generous with his church.

    • Another View says:

      What is arrogant is the attitude of those who demand to be supported by the top 53%. What is arrogant is the attitude of the government workers’ unions, the unemployed who sit on their tuckuses for 2 years drawing a government check, the single moms who demand that someone else care for their immoral and foolish choices, those who claim to be “disabled”, and draw SS, refusing to work, and corporations whose executives seek to scam the system for taxpayer dollars (GM, Chrysler, Solyndra, Fisker, etc.).

      • am i the only cdn reader who cares to wager that av is a fan of eugenics?

        what av, no mention of the sperm donors? just us single moms, huh.

        absolutely disgusting display, typical of av’s ideology.

        • Another View says:

          You lose your wager.

          I hold no brief for men who impregnate women, and then don’t marry them and support the family. They are bums.

          But truth be told, women have the power to say no. They used to do so. But now they don’t, and many see the government check as a lifestyle. And it is wrong, and it is immoral, and it is the most destructive societal ill today.

          The Left lauds single mothers because it loathes the family. The Left loathes traditional values, and actually encourages women to act independently and without regard for consequences. It is this zeitgeist to which I am opposed.

          My ideology is founded upon traditional American, Judeo-Christian values; the values that built this country and made it great. It is not disgusting; it is glorious.

    • I imagine Romney is tacking towards the very serious issue of the amount of “takers” in this country under Obama’s miserable, miserable economy.

      We now have more people on disability than EVER before.

      We now have more people on Food Stamps than EVER before.

      Dependence on government has increase 23% under OBAMA.

      Frankly, it’s embarrassing. If I were OBAMA, I’d resign in disgrace. Of course, that’s not going to happen.

      Then we have people like thos in the links I posted. People that are just fine with subsiding competely on the government and are not in the least trying to better themselves or in trying to get off the government dole and cheese.

      Unfortunately, the only way we will ever change their attitudes is to cut off their benefits, something that has only increased under Obama.

      If they had to operate under the rule of “If you don’t work, you don’t eat”, I imagine they find a little more incentive to work for a living

      • ElinorDashwood says:

        Republican senators turned their backs on all war Veterans Wednesday. Our returning soldiers have an unemployment rate that is 35% higher than the national unemployment rate. After actually to helping to write the bipartisan Veterans Jobs Corps Bill, Senators Boozeman, Johanns, Burr and Toomey turned and killed the bill.
        Frankly, it’s worse than embarrassing. it’s disgraceful. Chest-thumping pubs love to draw lines in the sand and send American soldiers out to fight for America, our Constitution and Christian values but truly don’t care if our soldiers sink or swim when they return home from war. Way to support our troops, pubs.

        • Another View says:


          There are already many jobs training programs for veterans; one more government program was NOT needed.

          In fact, why is the government involved with jobs programs anyway? It is not a governmental function. Jobs are created by the private sector. If you want a vet to have a job to come home to, quit robbing the private sector of its wealth and incentives.

        • That’s a load of horse hockey.

          I was one active duty when Reagan (A Republican) built up the military from the disgrace it had become under Carter. All of my old bosses that were Vietnam vets and that were on active duty during the Carter years told all of us kids how bad Carter (a Democrat) sucked when it came to taking care of the military. I was also on active duty 10 years later when Klinton ( A Democrat) gutted the military and spent the “Peace Dividend” on God knows what in the 90’s. George Bush II (A Republican) hit a few military bases during his campaign and his message was “Help is on the way” because our pay had sunk to a point under Klinton where the young to middle ranking troops were eligible for Food Stamps and WIC, which was disgraceful. George Bush increaased our pay over his 8 years by 24%. Now, I had some issues with Bush in how he conducted the wars, but when people are waiting out Barack Obama (and they did the same thing with Klinton) so as to not have his signature on their retirement certificates, you know that’s a good load of loathing.

          Democrats hate the military. They’ve hated it for at least 50 years now.

          And we know it

  13. The resident teahadists will be overjoyed that their boy also, are we shocked, disses Hispanics

    Willard said “it was futile to even try to get Hispanics to vote Republican because their “primitive culture” was antithetical to Republican values.”

    “Hispanics will never vote for me because they can’t possibly understand my ideas. They are descended from a primative cutlure. They were sacrificing 9 year olds to the gods before Cortés came.”

    “And these people. The ones that come to the U.S.. …these people are losers. They couldn’t cut it in their own countries, and now they want to freeload in ours. When I’m president I’ll send Mexico a message – take your trash back. We don’t want it anymore.”

    I seriously wonder if Mittens is mentally competent?

  14. “And these people. The ones that come to the U.S.. …these people are losers. They couldn’t cut it in their own countries, and now they want to freeload in ours. When I’m president I’ll send Mexico a message – take your trash back. We don’t want it anymore.”

    Excellent. Makes me want to vote three times instead of just twice

    • Of course you would. But you are not a racist?

      • Another View says:

        Why do you throw around the race card so casually? Do you not realize that it is a grave insult? Do you not realize that your misuse of race cheapens what little real racism exists? You and your brethren are like the little boy who cried wolf; everything is racist, racist, racist. Well if everything is racist, then nothing is racist.

        Good grief. Go find some substance and report back.

        • Another View says:

          Mr. Mister now calls me racist, while acknowledging that I do not bring up race. WOW! Is this what passes for intellectual debate on the Left?

          Actually I am color blind when it comes to how I treat folks. Because that is the right thing to do. Not because of the law, or the Left’s harangues, but because of my values; MY CHRISTIAN VALUES.

          And for you to accuse me or anyone else of racism, without a shred of proof, is the height of rudeness. You are attempting to slander folks and shut down debate. How cowardly.

          • I choose to see people for the color they are and threat them as humans, whether they are legal or not. That’s the real christian thing to do.
            Hispanic= Latino, but all Hispanics do not come from Mexico. I seariously believe you know many Mexicans, maybe more like Hispanics instead. mexican is like dropping the N bomb. Get up to date, Sir. So hey, as your coligue says, “if it walks like a duck….”

          • Another View says:

            There is nothing wrong with referring to a Mexican as a Mexican. I certainly am not going to refer to my Salvadoran secretary as a Mexican, and I am not going to lump her into a group by calling her Hispanic.

            Actually, I call her by her name. It is much more polite.

            And no Hispanics come from Mexico. There are no Hispanics. There are no Asians. And there are no Europeans. American refers to a US citizen, not an Argentine.

            Language matters. The Left loves to muck it up. But many of us have a long memory, and actually know how to read, write and speak–correctly.

          • Bob Brawley says:

            I call the spanish Spanish. They speak Spanish , they are spanish. No spanish person ever called me down for calling them or referring to them as spanish. Calling a spanish a Latino is as bad as calling a black guy Afro American. because in both cases you , well me , is showing my racisim by trying to be political correct. If you call a spanish guy something less polite and call a black guy something less impolite then , well the spanish guy will kill you . the black guy will be offended. . So if any body calls me English or a white person go ahead . Help yourself

        • Did you not read sarge’s comment? He is giidy about “Those people”. What people? Oh the “Mexicans”. Why is he so happy about sending the “trash” back. you may have amnesia and forget about him labeling every Hispanic as “Mexican” , but I don’t. Do a little research on Hispanics, the come from many countries, not just mexico. And by the way, ask any Hispanic if labeling them a “Mexican” is an insult, and racist! Then get back with me.

          • Another View says:

            You people, these people and those people are not racist statements.

            And there are no “Hispanic” people. Hispanic, like Asian and European, is a geographic term.

            What’s wrong with being a Mexican? I know and like lots of Mexicans.

          • They’re ILLEGAL. Who cares what they think? Send them back. We spend an estimate 14 BILLION dollars because of illegals every year.

            We can no longer afford that cost.

            Send tehm back

          • Roscoe Evans says:

            Hispanic is a linguistic term, for peoples who live all over the world and speak Spanish. You’re wrong about your racial classifications, too: they are antiquated, inane, and, indeed, racist.

            Noncom, you seem inordinately concerned about classifying people as “white” and “non-white,” with no indication as to how that is relevant to the discussion. If there’s a point, make it.

          • It’s not. If they are illegal, send them back. Close the gates behind them and tell them to immigrate the legal way

          • Another View says:

            Roscoe, have you ever read a book? Because if you had, you would not misuse language the way you do. You would not refer to an ethnic group as Hispanic, when they are Mexican, or Guatemalan, or Spanish. Would you next claim that they all look alike? A Vietnamese is a Korean is a Japanese is a Chinese, because they are all Asians? Who is the real racist?

            You also would not claim that racial classifications–accurate ones at that, sorry to tell you–are racist or inane. Science is neither racist nor inane.

            You sir, are a pseudo intellectual. You watched MSNBC, spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express, and believe that you are now qualified to perform brain surgery. You are not.

            Educate yourself. Learn something. Think before you write. Stay at a Ritz Carlton. Be yourself, not a caricature of college professor.

          • Roscoe Evans says:

            Again, “hispanic” is a linguistic term, not a racial one, as you suggested it is. It is not, as you said, a “geographic” term.

            And, again, Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid have not been au courant — as you, said they are — in anthropology or in any of the sciences, for decades.

            You’re a throwback. Stop trying to weasel out of your own words. They are in front of us all, just as you are a fraud, in front of all of us.

            Don’t worry about where I stay at night. I always sleep well, and comfortably.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            You know my maternal grandmother was an illegal alien from Canada. She was brought to America along with her eight siblings by her father, after her mother died in 1920. Her birth certificate says she was born in Fargo, ND because a courthouse there that held birth certificates burned down and back then, the government couldn’t prove otherwise.
            On my father’s side, my great(x6) grandfather was the same John Adams that another prolific poster on CDN likes to rave about. That side goes back to Priscilla Mullins and John Alden from the Mayflower.

            Ain’t America just freakin’ great? God Bless America!

          • Another View says:

            Let’s see. Canadian citizenship, illegal entry, forgery of official government documents. Yep; you come by your Leftist heritage honestly. No wonder you love high taxes and socialized medicine.

            Welcome to Obama’s America.

          • Just wondering... says:

            Let’s see…the best you can offer up are lame grade-school digs? You really are grasping, now.

          • Another View says:

            No I am not. Let’s evaluate.

            Canadians are socialists. It is a fact.

            Leftists love illegal aliens. Indeed, Leftists love to break all sorts of laws they disagree with–drugs, prostitution (don’t forget Eliot Spitzer!), immigration, taxes (Tim Geithner), perjury (Bill Clinton), marriage (homosexual activists; see also Gavin Newsom), and the 1974 Budget Control Act (the Democrat controlled Senate).

            Forgery of government documents (see above).

            Elinor does love higher taxes (on other people) and socialized medicine. Why is it juvenile to acknowledge her expressed views?

            In fact, why is it juvenile to acknowledge her celebration of a heritage of lawbreaking, that just happens to coincide with her political beliefs?

            WHY, OH WHY, does the Left try so hard to disguise their true beliefs? Oh right; because they would never be elected if they were honest!

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            I like how yow you put this, rather hateful post in front of your other to make look as if I was speaking about this post and thanking you for it. Sad and pathetic tricks, typical of the far right extremists. I mean, wow…I don’t want to state this “inelegantly” but you went after me like a poor person going after a basic need.

          • ElinorDashwood says:

            As usual, you missed the point entirely… and most likely, intentionally. The truth is that I think just as highly of my border jumping side of the family as I do my Mayflower side (although I admit the Canadienne side has better stories).
            Yes, while he is president, I am Obama’s America. A little bit of this, a little bit of that, and a lot of smart genes on both sides, thanks be to God.
            It’s funny, I reread your post several times and even though I know how it was intended, all I can say is… thanks. 🙂

          • Another View says:

            I did not miss the “point entirely”. I read and understood your post perfectly.

            And thank you for your honesty. It is a rare thing from the Left, and on this blog in particular.

            Have a wonderful evening!

  15. Roscoe Evans says:

    I liked and respected George Romney.

    That said, Mitt and much of his family have been among the worst of our “takers” class.

    They went to Mexico to escape federal and state laws against polygamy, then they left Mexico, claiming they were political exiles, and lobbied for thousands of tax free dollars from the U.S. government, claiming they were refuges.

    Mitt claims he made every nickle on his own.

    Well, after Dad paid for 8 years of college, law school and grad school, his two year Mormon vacation to France, his first house, and a major stock portfolio, Mitt went to “work” sucking the economic life out of one business after another. He then used his mandatory tithing and a myriad of tax gimmics and offshore accounts to evade as many tax obligations as he could, year after year, for 40 years. And, he raided the U.S. Treasury to bail out the Olympics, then claimed “success.”

    Now, after doing nothing for his fellow citizens for his entire life, he wants to “serve” us, but only if we vote for him to start at the top.

    That’s not a deal that I can buy in to.

    • Right Winger says:

      And yet you would prefer to support someone who has increased the number of those on foodstamps and welfare to an unprecedented level in the last four years, who’s “leadership” has caused further division in this country and his “experience” in foreign affairs just had most of our Middle East embassies over run and NOT EVEN DEFENDED?(redacted)

      • Uncle Jessie says:

        Really Right Winger? That one goal you scored that one game must of blocked your learning ability. Did you not expect the number of people on foodstamps and welfare to not increase during the worst economic times since the great depression? It was the republicans who stated they would not work with Obama on day one. Even Mitt and his magic underwear can’t turn this economy around in the near future. [redacted]

        • Another View says:

          THIS IS NOT the “worst economic times since the great depression”. The period from 1979–1982 was much, much worse.

          And what did the American President do? He did not blame his predecessor. He did not borrow a bunch of money. He did not blame the other party in Congress. Rather he worked to fix it. And he did. And for his efforts, he was reelected. That man? Ronald Wilson Reagan.

          • Just wondering... says:

            Reagan “didn’t borrow a bunch of money”? Really??

          • Another View says:

            Nope. Ronald Wilson Reagan sent up budgets with spending cuts that the Democrat House of Representatives ignored.

          • Just wondering... says:

            Right…and that 600-ship Navy he pushed, and SDI, and those other efforts…those weren’t paid for, on his watch, with a LOT of borrowed money? You, sir, are not entirely accurate yet again.

          • Another View says:

            I am entirely accurate. You see, a Navy and national defense are in the Constitution. Defense spending is not only constitutionally authorized, but reality demands it.

            Domestic spending such as food stamps, corporate subsidies, all welfare spending, the EPA, Commerce Dept., Labor Dept. Agriculture Dept., Labor Dept., etc. are all UNCONSTITUTIONAL. And Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare are also UNCONSTITUTIONAL and are breaking the bank. You want to know where the debt explodes? Transfer payments, stealing from some Americans and giving money to other Americans. That is the problem.

          • Roscoe Evans says:

            How about telling us what you really think, and re-iterating your advocacy of a violent overthrow of a second administration under President Barrack Obama? Because he’s going to be re-elected despite your claptrap, and I’d like to see you hauled away for being the seditionist that you are. And, I’m sick of you repeatedly lying to the gentle folks of Clarke County about the legal process and the Constitution.

            Every one of those programs that you claim to be unconstitutional has been subject to that phoney claim, and every one has passed constitutional muster in the federal courts, your repeated lies nothwithstanding. Nobody is stealing money from anybody else either, except in the fictional world of your mind.

            As for “genuine” poverty, nobody has to travel to see it. It’s all around us in Clarke. There are ramshackle homes with inadequate water and sewage, and kids in our schools who have no parents, no grandparents, and nobody to shelter and to feed them, and there are elderly folk who have no idea where their next meal is coming from. Some of you teabag whiners ought to quit talking about what’s “unconstitutional” and try to help these people out once in a while, because government is not the problem, you’re the problem.

          • Another View says:

            No, the problem is people like you, who are the liars about the system. The problem is that the government does steal from some and give to others. The problem is that our country has drifted from its constitutional foundations, allowing the government to act lawlessly; the perpetrators are the government, including the courts, the Left, and the people who support the Left or are too stupid to understand what is going on around them.

            The Supreme Court can declare the First Amendment void tomorrow and it will not make it so. Because the Supreme Court is not the ultimate arbiter of the Constitution, and our rights are not derived from government. You are a phoney, claiming to know the law, when all you are is a pusher of the progressive dream of security; security at the cost of liberty.

            Stop lying. Start learning. Stand on your own two feet. Quit being a taker. Become a maker.

          • Spoken like a true bleeding heart liberal.

            BTW, you call the people of Clarke “gentle folk”, but by the way I saw you trying to get you and yours out of the CC fair last month, you hated it here.

          • Roscoe Evans says:

            RW– “bleeding heart liberal”? Sorry, buddy, but my political philosophy is simply what’s best for the most. You can call that any thing you choose.

            And, I have no idea who you think I am. But if you are that cocksure of yourself, feel free to speak up to me, face to face. Any time, any where. Bring your balls.

            AV–You claim to be a lawyer, yet you refuse to accept Supreme Court rulings. Righto.

            You also, of course, claimed to have been working, personally, on the affordable health act litigation, and you claimed that you would win. Well, you lost, didn’t you? That pretty much says it all for your legal credibility. Zero.

            Moreover, your entire premise respecting constitutional rulings is a bit inconsistent, no? Your side wins, we’ve got to live with it, your side loses, and its, what? Unconstitutional? Because you say so? That’s pretty dumb now, isn’t it?

            You’ve been calling your fellow citizens one name after another for so long as I have seen you: communist, fascist, progressive, racist, socialist. Most of us are just fellow Americans. None of us, I am sure, would talk about the violent overthrow of our government, not over political disputes. You do.

            My sense is that you’re here as a shill, just to gin up internet traffic. Either that or you are sick.

            Either way, consider the import of what you say, and consider getting some treatment before you get hurt.

            Now, i am going to send a couple of bucks to Ed Novak for the CCHS Robotics Class. And because I know that you two are too cheap to kick in, I’m going to buy some tickets in your names, too.

            I look forward to seeing you, RW. Rob–not so much.

  16. Wow. So I guess many of you have never had someone in your family so ill that they lost their home, had to move in with family, ran out of benefits, lost everything to pay medical bills just to SURVIVE?

    Or this: Single moms are immoral and foolish? Hmm. So the Christian man that went to church every Wednesday and Sunday, that is a staple of Winchester, Virginia? He abandoned his wife. Cheated on her twice (she would not divorce him because the Church forbade it). He left her destitute with a 2 month old infant & 3 other kids. Because of their church, the wife is forbidden to work for a living, so the result is that the bank foreclosed on her home, she had to move in with family, living on minimum wage once she could get a job, no child support because the system cannot get money from a person who no longer exists (went off the grid). Welfare and food stamps.

    And then he came back. And he threatened to kill all of them if she wouldn’t take him back. So she had to leave the State and was in a homeless shelter in hiding. Welfare and food stamps for 2 years.

    The States finally found him, but there is no such thing as child support. Impossible. You cannot make somebody pay child support if they have no money.

    So this mother is immoral and foolish? The Southern Baptist church in Winchester, VA that they attended and her husband had a strict rule about a woman’s place in society and the home. To defy that meant that they shunned her, her family, and ultimately subject to abuse behind closed doors by her husband. He was not like that before they married, the man she married was normal. This man was brainwashed by the pastor, as were all people at that church, and they did exactly what they were told to do, how to live their lives, otherwise they were to suffer hellfire and damnation.

    She did what she was told, he vowed to be a good person, the government saved the lives of her and the children, and she was able to get back to college, get a job, keep her kids housed, fed, and loved. As soon as she could get of government support, she did. However, she still has not received any child support and never will.

    Maybe the immoral foolish ones are the backwards pastor, the community at that church, the bad man pretending to be a good husband, the quiet underbelly of the South that is steadfastly misogynistic, and the idea that shunning rather than helping is a Christian way to behave. Now, that woman’s story is real life, not made up. I have no doubt that there are millions of single mothers out there in dire straits, in need of help, but people think they *want* to live their lives like this.

    They actually think every person on Welfare and Food Stamps wants to be that way. Unbelievable ignorance. I interviewed women at the shelter and nearly every one was a victim of some sort of abuse to them or their children by way of a spouse/partner or family member. It’s an epidemic out there, culturally, and the majority of people out there dismiss women in these situations as being nothing more than lazy. Shame on you.

    • Another View says:

      The immoral choice would be to have a child out of wedlock. The woman you describe is the victim of unfortunate circumstances.

      So I did not, and would not, dismiss this woman as lazy. It would be, however, her responsibility to seek employment. I would be the responsibility of her family, friends and church to assist her. And it WOULD NOT BE PROPER for the government to support her.

      You wish to be pious and appear to be charitable? Then help this woman out–WITHOUT GETTING PAID TO DO SO!

  17. It is beginning to look like the problem here is not just with the candidate, but fundamental to the governing ideology of the entire “grand old party”. “Hostility to being governed,” in any way has gone so far and so deep on the right, that the right can no longer govern even itself. Ideological preoccupation has so isolated this once “grand old party” from facts that it is not functional as a credible political entity. Whether you agree with Romney’s statements about 47% of American citizens being moochers off the government or not, the fact remains that he says one thing to the people at large and something else to rich campaign contributors. This two-faced duplicity demonstrates his lack of character. He slammed the military, retired seniors (groups that tend toward conservative candidates), as well as poor southern republicans who wouldn’t vote for Obama in any way shape or form. His tone was haughty, nasty, and not religious.

  18. Got-A-Dollar says:

    How is a sounding board for the hateful right “Clarke Daily News”?Another View is allowed his freedom of speech while you redact any criticism of the right. You have outlived your usefulness to Clake County.
    I am sure this will not make the post because you have a mission.

  19. Was it during one of those daily republican primary debates Willard said “we have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine. I’m concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling, and I’ll continue to take that message across the nation.”…..Romney then clarified “I’m concerned about the poor in this country. We have to make sure the safety net is strong and able to help those who can’t help themselves.” 90 percent struggling plus 47 percent moochers does not equal 100…

    Mormon Bishop Willard “Mitt” Romney is not fit to be President of these Great United States. He never was, he never will be. Now, America can see clearly why not. How many republicans can this man take with him on his downward spiral.

  20. Romney is ignorant and hypocritical. Remember, this is the candidate who won’t share his historical tax returns but brags that he avoided paying as much tax as possible and managed to pay a lower percentage than many middle-class workers. This is the candidate whose own father was on “public assistance” for a while, by his mother’s account.

    He has written off HALF of the American public, including many of the elderly, veterans, children, the disabled, the working poor, without even knowing who they are.

    Saying this makes Mr. Romney a fool. Doubling down on it makes him an arrogant, hypocritical fool.

    • Another View says:

      Children cannot vote.

      And half the American public are takers from the government assisted theft system. They are not going to vote for anyone who proposes to halt the gravy train. So Mitt Romney is not a fool, he is a realist.

      Hopefully, after this election, we turn off the flow of money to the takers, and force them to become producers. Then the economy will soar, government will shrink, and we will return to Constitutional principles.

      • ElinorDashwood says:

        I’m not sure what makes you think that Romney is a realist. He thinks the middle class goes all the way up to $250,000 a year. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, only 19.9 percent of American households had incomes of over $100,000 in 2010. In fact, the median annual household income for 2010 was $50,046. This is wage earners, so don’t try to say that the people on the government dole bring that number down… wage earners. Romney lives a life that is too far removed from that of the average American.

        By the way, In 1986, President Ronald Reagan said, “families with income at or below the poverty level should not be subject to income tax,” a position that Congress ratified. That was a very Christian thing to do. Your far right, selfish conservatism and your demand for a Christian nation with Christian values seem to often be at odds with each other.

        • Another View says:

          Elinor dearest:

          Your own precious Barack Hussein Obama defines the middle class all the way up to annual incomes of $250k. So do other Democrats such as Nancy Hussein Pelosi and Charles Hussein Schumer.

          Frankly, I do not believe in defining classes. It is un-American. But if we are going to play that silly game, I suggest to you that incomes of more than $1 million annually are and should be included in the middle class.

          You know who’s “rich”? Bill Gates. Warren Buffett. You know who’s not? Lawyers, accountants, doctors, business folks making $250k, 500k or even $5 million annually. That’s not rich.

          And you know who’s not poor? Americans at any level. So-called “poor” Americans live better than did rich people at the beginning of last century, at least materially speaking. You want to see poor? Go to Bangladesh, Cuba, North Korea, China or Kenya. There are poor people.

          Your class warfare ideology days are waning. Enjoy them while you can.

        • ” This is wage earners, so don’t try to say that the people on the government dole bring that number down… wage earners.”


          Total Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than an $8 per hour job 40
          Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than a $12 per hour job 7
          Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than the average salary of a U.S. Teacher 9

          Top 10 Hourly Wage Equivalent Welfare States in U.S.
          State Hourly Wage Equivalent

          Hawaii $17.50
          Alaska $15.48
          Massachusetts $14.66
          Connecticut $14.23
          Washington, D.C. $13.99
          New York $13.13
          New Jersey $12.55
          Rhode Island $12.55
          California $11.59
          Virginia $11.11

  21. There is little campaign talk about Romney Care in Massachusetts or what he accomplished as governor. I heard he was a jerk. I know people who moved to New Hampshire to avoid Romney Care. In 1994, I watched the Romney vs Ted Kennedy US Senate election debate on television. In the debate, Romney made a condescending remark about the poor area of Dorchester (a Boston neighborhood) as Kennedy country. That stupid comment was Romney’s makaka moment in that Senate election contest. Romney made headlines in England for his stupid security comment at the London Olympics. In another comment, Romney said, “He enjoys firing people”. Romney is embarrassing the Republican Party. Romney will lose in the debates with Obama, who is quite intelligent. Romney consistently puts his foot in his mouth. Unlike Bill Clinton, Romney does not mix well with people or think well instantaneously. Romney is too dependent on handlers to script messages. Some are tired of his smear campaign against President Obama. Willard Mitt Romney has not adequately articulated a vision of what he would do as US President. Does Romney plan to refuse a salary as US President, since he is wealthy and concerned about government spending.

    • Another View says:

      What makes you think Barack Hussein Obama is intelligent? What accomplishment of his leads you to believe he is smart? Because I have yet to see any evidence of his intelligence beyond his own proclamation, and the proclamations of his supporters?

      And what makes you think that Barack Hussein Obama mixes well with people? His own people admit that he doesn’t like people. He is cold and aloof. Name one friend of Barack Hussein Obama. You cannot.

      Scripted? Have you noticed what happens when Barack Hussein Obama moves off the teleprompter? Not good.

      And Barack Hussein Obama is taking a salary. He is rich. Why doesn’t he return his salary to the Treasury?

      Finally, I wish Romney would run a “smear” campaign against Barack Hussein Obama. But he won’t even tell the truth. He won’t point out that Barack Hussein Obama is a fascist. He won’t use Reverend Wright or Franklin Marshall Davis or Bill Ayers. He won’t accuse the President of lawlessness–Fast and Furious, unconstitutional executive orders, refusal to defend laws passed by Congress, illegal appointments, the use of the IRS against his opponents.

      Romney is a terrible campaigner. But he would be a sight better President than Barack Hussein Obama.

      • There’s no way Romney will beat President Obama. Maybe next time AV. And that’s President Barack Obama to you [redacted]

      • Oprah Winfrey is Barack Obama’s friend. His mother was a cultural anthropologist with caucasian roots in Kansas. Obama must be smart, as he was the first black President of Harvard Law Review. Obama visited Africa to learn about his father’s heritage. As a young boy in Indonesia, he learned about Islam. Asians and Pacific Islanders are the majority population in Hawaii and Obama lived with his grandparents in Honolulu and attended Purahou School. Obama was exposed to a diversity of people from various cultures in Hawaii and at Columbia University in New York City. As a community organizer with deep Christian faith, Obama witnessed the poverty in the Chicago ghettos. Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize and seems less eager than Mitt Romney to go to war with Iran at US taxpayers expense. Obama respects Jewish religion and Romney will ignore the concerns of the Palestinians in the disputed areas of Israel. Obama better understands cultures and people than Mitt Romney. In 2008, President Barack Obama was magnanimous in appointing Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and keeping the Republican Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense. Obama is more likeable and trust worthy than Mitt Romney.

  22. Obama is working hard to add to the 47%


    Obama administration officials have insisted that their decision to grant states waivers to redefine work requirements for welfare recipients would not “gut” the landmark 1996 welfare reform law. But a new report from the Congressional Research Service obtained by the Washington Examiner suggests that the administration’s suspension of a separate welfare work requirement has already helped explode the number of able-bodied Americans on food stamps.

  23. Got-A-Dollar says:

    Paul Ryan is running campaign ads in Wisconsin for his house seat, is the writing on the wall?
    Even millionaires know when to stop beating a dead horse and soon the big donors will jump off the Romney bandwagon.
    Romney’s elect me now and I’ll give my plan later ain’t working.

  24. Another View says:

    Roscoe Evans:

    If the Supreme Court is infallible, why are not Dred Scott, Plessy, and Bowers not still the law of the land? Answer that, oh all knowing one.

    I call no names. Unless, of course, the fascists and socialists are ashamed of their ideology. But why would that be so? If their ideas are so wonderful, and accepted by the majority, would they not want to proclaim their beliefs by name?

    Of course the answer is no. The Left doesn’t wish to be labeled because then they would lose the support of those not paying close attention. No Real American is a socialist or a fascist.

    Finally, I got 5 votes for my argument concerning the commerce clause; which would mean your side had only 4. I won my argument. Because I was right.

  25. Romney is “too honest” ? He’s the same guy who changed his positions on abortion and gay rights when he stopped running for office in liberal Massachusetts and started seeking conservative votes for the Republican presidential nomination. It is hard to know what Romney really believes about anything, but one thing we do know: he’ll say whatever he thinks he needs to say to whatever group he’s speaking to, to get elected. When you’ve taken every side of every issue, it gets a little hard to say with any credibility that you’re for or against anything. Scary man; I’m beginning to believe the story about the traumatic brain injury in France; that would explain a lot.

  26. I wonder how many people really wanted Mitt from day one. I’m betting about 10% or so. He out lasted Perry, Santorum, and Gingrich because of his deep pockets. So he was the fourth, and now the Repubs are stuck with him. The are voting the party line and not for the man, period. Talk about mindless robots.

    • Agreed – while Romney wasn’t my choice, I’ll choose him based on obama’s failures for the last almost four years. $6 trillion plus in add’l debt, higher unemployment, double price of gas, credit down grade etc. Won’t go into the whole “transparency” thing, “Fast and Furious”, “Solyndra”, the buy outs that made him millions. Really – need I go on? Guess we could brag up our foreign policy but let’s face it – that’s a joke as well.
      Man walked into a doc’s office, said “doc – every time I put my finger in my eye it hurts”. Doc said “quit sticking your finger in your eye”. And there ya have it. Known failure against an unknown. Why continue to stick your finger in your eye? If Romney is as bad as obama — we’ll replace him!

    • The Dems are doing the same thing.

  27. 4 great results from the ill-fated Romney campaign implosion:
    1. By scorning the 47%, Mittens has fouled out of the election. The 47% + others will see to that. 2. Paul Ryan’s career as a “serious person” in the Republican Party has been exposed as a fraud and and may very well be neutralized. He is the Sarah Palin of this election cycle.
    3. Bain has been exposed for the value-subtracting organization that it is. Its schemes are primarily designed to enrich itself, not to help clients. Typical consultants.
    4. By losing this time around, there is a slight possibility that the entire right-wing extremist Republican Party / cult will implode, leading to a more realistic organization. Hopefully that happens.

  28. Got-A-Dollar says:

    We’ve had the “Bush Era Tax Cuts” for eleven years and the economy has been in the crapper ever since.
    The Dow is over 13,500 and the economy is in the crapper. Raise the capital gains tax and investors will invest in manufacturing and business that create jobs. Business people who work for their money create jobs, people who let their money work for them do not create jobs.
    The Republicans idea of closing tax loopholes is to eliminate the mortgage interest and dependent child deductions. Of course this doesn’t effect the rich.
    Let’s hear the plan on how to round up and send 12 million Mexicans back to Mexico. Legalize them and let them pay taxes like the 53 percent.